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Solon

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The Cynical Republican Plot To Shut Down The Government
« on: January 19, 2018, 03:56:16 AM »
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    Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, and Donald Trump have all stated that they want to protect the Dreamers. There is a bipartisan majority in the Senate to pass a budget resolution that includes protection for the Dreamers. Yet, McConnell claims he doesn't know what the president wants even though he is pushing a House bill that the president criticized in a morning tweet. You have to wonder why the president was in favor of a bipartisan deal early last Thursday and later created a political storm by sabotaging it. Clearly, the Republican leadership did not want a deal and set out to sabotage it. Their goal is not to govern, but to seek whatever political advantage they can muster from a government shut down. Their legislative incompetence coupled with a clueless and dysfunctional president have put them on the path to a political catastrophe in the 2018 elections. In a cynical plot to damage Democratic electoral prospects, they believe they can maneuver Democrats into a position where they will bear the blame for a government shutdown. Not only is it an act of desperate cynicism, it is doomed to fail.

    Republicans control the White House, the Senate, and the House. They have all the levers of power and could easily craft a bill that would pass both Houses of Congress. Yet, they have chosen to create what Pelosi likened to a "bowl of doggy-doo with a cherry on top disguised as a sundae." CHIP is the cherry and eliminating the taxes that fund the ACA is the doggy doo. This is the fourth continuing resolution in the last year and points to the continuing inability of Republicans to govern. The only reason the right wing crazies in the House, the so-callled Freedom (LOL) Caucus, voted for the short-term funding bill was that Paul Ryan convinced them that it would never pass the Senate and they would try to blame the Democrats for its failure. All of this is a consequence of their continuing inability to produce a budget that will pass the Republican caucus. The Hastert Rule has condemned them to perpetual failure. They have created this convoluted legislative crap because the GOP cannot perform the most basic task of governing: creating a budget.

    Their cynicism will bite them where it hurts...in the voting booth. A vast majority of Americans support protection for the Dreamers and will find no justification for the Republican refusal to include that in an agreement that would pass both Houses of Congress and fund the government for the rest of the year. It is evidence of their incompetence to propose another short term resolution that brings Congress back to the same impasse in February that they face now when sensible leadership could readily produce a solution. 
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    Re: The Cynical Republican Plot To Shut Down The Government
    « Reply #1 on: January 19, 2018, 07:10:25 AM »
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  • Because the Party of Trump is anti-working class.


    And all the while, his big ass is on a plane to Florida for "vacation".

    Worthless.
     
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    Re: The Cynical Republican Plot To Shut Down The Government
    « Reply #2 on: January 19, 2018, 10:53:52 AM »
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  • Republican Congressman confirms my analysis.

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    “We have one real responsibility here, and that’s to keep the government funded,” said Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), a member of the House Appropriations Committee. “There’s a lot of stuff we want to do or we’d like to do, but there’s one thing we must do and that’s to pass a budget and keep the government funded. And it is very frustrating that simple, basic task has become such a herculean effort.”

    Looming shutdown raises fundamental question: Can GOP govern?
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/looming-shutdown-raises-fundamental-question-can-gop-govern/2018/01/18/63ded10c-fc7c-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_gopchaos-640pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.32edaecfedfd

    Add to that this tweet from Ezra Klein of Vox

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    I've never seen anything as cynical in politics as Republicans spending 4 months refusing to reauthorize the Children's Health Insurance Program, then attaching reauthorization to another controversial bill, then blaming Democrats for not supporting CHIP. It's breathtaking.
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    Re: The Cynical Republican Plot To Shut Down The Government
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  • The vast majority of the Dream Act supporters are illegals or are related to the illegals.

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  • The vast majority of the Dream Act supporters are illegals or are related to the illegals.

    Well, that's trivial and unsubstantiated by a long shot. I'm a legal, 4th generation American.

    And instead of leader and trying to find a way to prevent the government from shutting down, Donald Trump and Mike Pence went ahead and jetted off to Florida. He can play several rounds of golf and dive into his "most amazing chocolate cake" with extra scoops of ice cream.

    Think back to 2013 during the shutdown and the pictures and video of Obama walking around the Lincoln monument and bringing sandwiches to federal security guards while trying to stop the shutdown.

    45's leadership is pathetic.
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    Re: The Cynical Republican Plot To Shut Down The Government
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  • The vast majority of the Dream Act supporters are illegals or are related to the illegals.

    Well, that's trivial and unsubstantiated by a long shot. I'm a legal, 4th generation American.

    And instead of leader and trying to find a way to prevent the government from shutting down, Donald Trump and Mike Pence went ahead and jetted off to Florida. He can play several rounds of golf and dive into his "most amazing chocolate cake" with extra scoops of ice cream.

    Think back to 2013 during the shutdown and the pictures and video of Obama walking around the Lincoln monument and bringing sandwiches to federal security guards while trying to stop the shutdown.

    45's leadership is pathetic.

    Source: Trump cancels Mar-a-Lago trip ahead of anticipated government shutdown

    Keep up hero....


    http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/18/politics/trump-shutdown-mar-a-lago/index.html

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    Re: The Cynical Republican Plot To Shut Down The Government
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  • I don't think it's trivial. I think it's obvious. Obama delivering sandwiches was a photo op and that's all it was. Did you complain about the many times Obama played golf? Why is it so evil for the republicans to play golf and so grand for the democrats to do the same thing?

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  • Trump bragged during the campaign that he was the greatest deal maker. LOL. He said last Tuesday, he would sign a bipartisan deal. Moreover, he has expressed sympathy for the Dreamers and indicated he wanted them to remain in the US. He had a deal handed to him on Thursday that addressed the four areas the White House said it wanted in an agrreement. His ignorance on policy issues allowed the far right to kneecap him. Now, he is in a win or lose fight that he is incapable of resolving because...according to Mitch McConnell...he doesn't know what he wants. Welcome to the chaos presidency. 
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  • I don't think it's trivial. I think it's obvious. Obama delivering sandwiches was a photo op and that's all it was. Did you complain about the many times Obama played golf? Why is it so evil for the republicans to play golf and so grand for the democrats to do the same thing?

    Trivial. Because Trump played more tax-payer funded gold trips in 6-months than Obama did in 8 years.
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  • Here are the facts.

    For the first time in our nation's history, we have a government shutdown while one party controls the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives.

    A government shutdown was 100% avoidable.
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    Re: The Cynical Republican Plot To Shut Down The Government
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  • Here are the facts.

    For the first time in our nation's history, we have a government shutdown while one party controls the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives.

    A government shutdown was 100% avoidable.

    So much for knowing Senate rules. It takes 60 votes in the Senate to pass a spending bill. Republicans have 52 votes and Chuck U. Schumer stated that Democrats would filibuster this spending bill until they got amnesty for all illegals. This bill also contains an extention of the CHIP bill so not Democrats are saying they do not care about insurance for sick children by filibustering this bill.

    No Sense you can hang out with the bitter Solon and both of you can keep drinking that liberal Kool Aid. America now knows that the Democrat Party only cares about illegals as they are throwing Seniors, children and the U.S. Military under the bus. Communists would be proud of Solon and Common Sense.

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    Re: The Cynical Republican Plot To Shut Down The Government
    « Reply #11 on: January 20, 2018, 09:32:13 PM »
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  • Dems threw away 6 years of funding for the CHIP program because the CR did not include support amnesty for DACA recipients.  I realize that Republicans set them up, but DACA did not even have to be on the table.  Congress has till a March 5 to pass a bill for DACA and guess what.......no bill has even been written by democrats!!!

    What did we learn?  Democrats care more about illegal aliens than children of American citizens.  They are only trying to increase their voter roles by importing new voters. 

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  • A majority of Republicans are prepared to vote in favor of a DACA agreement. There is a majority in BOTH Houses of Congress for the proposition. The Senate passed an immigration reform bill in in 2013 by 68-32. The Speaker of the House never introduced it. The shutdown is occurring because Trump and the Freedom Caucus WANT a shutdown. Trump has been convinced that his base wants this by Stephen Miller and the crazies like him. He is as clueless as ever. They do not have a majority to get their extremist agenda passed so they are attempting to bully Democrats into accepting a Diktat just as they have bullied Ryan. As I have said before, the Hastert Rule in the House prevents a true majority from emerging, allowing the most extreme group--the Freedom Caucus to control the House, and Mitch plays the same game in the Senate. Don't forget, FOUR Republicans voted against the CR and FIVE Democrats voted for it. This impasse and others could easily be resolved if members could have up or down votes without all the gymnastic manipulations to please the crazy minority.

    The Republican leadership cynically held CHIP hostage since September as a bargaining chip in a budget negotiation, knowing it could pressure Dems in a shutdown scenario. It's a perfect example of dysfunctional governing. The aim is not to pass legislation in the interest of the nation, it's to manipulate it for cynical political advantage. Why else would we possibly be stuck with four CR's. It's incompetence on a grand scale and convincing proof that Republicans are incapable of governance.

    If Republican voters continue to send these Freedom Caucus saboteurs to Congress, Republicans will never be able to govern. They claim to be deficit hawks but voted for the tax cut for the rich that guarantees a trillion plus increase in the deficit over the next ten years which make such claims a farce. Wake up, people!
    On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron.
    ...H. L. Mencken

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  • A majority of Republicans are prepared to vote in favor of a DACA agreement. There is a majority in BOTH Houses of Congress for the proposition. The Senate passed an immigration reform bill in in 2013 by 68-32. The Speaker of the House never introduced it. The shutdown is occurring because Trump and the Freedom Caucus WANT a shutdown. Trump has been convinced that his base wants this by Stephen Miller and the crazies like him. He is as clueless as ever. They do not have a majority to get their extremist agenda passed so they are attempting to bully Democrats into accepting a Diktat just as they have bullied Ryan. As I have said before, the Hastert Rule in the House prevents a true majority from emerging, allowing the most extreme group--the Freedom Caucus to control the House, and Mitch plays the same game in the Senate. Don't forget, FOUR Republicans voted against the CR and FIVE Democrats voted for it. This impasse and others could easily be resolved if members could have up or down votes without all the gymnastic manipulations to please the crazy minority.

    The Republican leadership cynically held CHIP hostage since September as a bargaining chip in a budget negotiation, knowing it could pressure Dems in a shutdown scenario. It's a perfect example of dysfunctional governing. The aim is not to pass legislation in the interest of the nation, it's to manipulate it for cynical political advantage. Why else would we possibly be stuck with four CR's. It's incompetence on a grand scale and convincing proof that Republicans are incapable of governance.

    If Republican voters continue to send these Freedom Caucus saboteurs to Congress, Republicans will never be able to govern. They claim to be deficit hawks but voted for the tax cut for the rich that guarantees a trillion plus increase in the deficit over the next ten years which make such claims a farce. Wake up, people!

    5 Republicans voted against the CR.  44 Democrats Democrats voted against the CR.   Now please tell me again who voted to shut down the government? 

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  • Children. Children.

    This is the 1st time in United State history that the party that controls the White House, the Senate, and the House of Representatives has had a government shutdown.

    That is the fact. The FACT. Now, accept that and/or go back to your squabbling.
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