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Mueller"s Russia Investigation: First Indictments Filed
« on: October 28, 2017, 12:24:23 AM »
The indictments are sealed for the weekend so we will wait until next week to find out who is the first to face charges. Clearly a grand jury found evidence to indict.

Perhaps there was some warning that this was coming because of the panic in Trump's attacks on a New York housewife and the collapse of Republican Congressional investigations in the House.

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A federal grand jury in Washington on Friday approved the first charges in the investigation led by special counsel Robert Mueller, according to sources briefed on the matter.

The charges are still sealed under orders from a federal judge. Plans were prepared Friday for anyone charged to be taken into custody as soon as Monday, the sources said. It is unclear what the charges are.

A spokesman for the special counsel's office declined to comment.

Mueller was appointed in May to lead the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

Under the regulations governing special counsel investigations, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who has oversight over the Russia investigation, would have been made aware of any charges before they were taken before the grand jury for approval, according to people familiar with the matter.

First on CNN: First charges filed in Mueller investigation
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/first-charges-mueller-investigation/index.html
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Re: Mueller"s Russia Investigation: First Indictments Filed
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2017, 02:09:54 AM »
Reuters has joined CNN in confirming that indictments have been filed in Mueller's investigation into collaboration between the Trump campaiign and Russia.

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A federal grand jury on Friday approved the first charges in the investigation into alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, a source briefed on the matter told Reuters.

First charges filed in U.S. special counsel's Russia investigation
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Re: Mueller"s Russia Investigation: First Indictments Filed
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2017, 08:31:10 AM »
I don't care if you are a democrat or a republican - if you betrayed this country - you belong in federal prison.

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Re: Mueller"s Russia Investigation: First Indictments Filed
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2017, 09:39:23 AM »
I don't care if you are a democrat or a republican - if you betrayed this country - you belong in federal prison.

The bottom line is treason may have occured. And we the people need to know who, if any, committed it; and how to fix this so that it never happens again in U.S. elections.
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Re: Mueller"s Russia Investigation: First Indictments Filed
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2017, 11:59:54 AM »
Imagine if it is Paul Manafort that gets indicted. Of course we have learned that before working for the Trump campaign back during the primaries, he worked at getting Russian agents involved with the Podesta Group. We also know that part of Podesta Group is John Podesta, Campaign Manager for the Hillary Clinton Presidential Campaign.

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Re: Mueller"s Russia Investigation: First Indictments Filed
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2017, 03:26:13 PM »
NBC has now confirmed the indictment(s) also. It seems likely that the individual(s) charged with criminal activity in the Russia investigation will be revealed on Monday.

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JUST IN: Office of the Special Counsel will serve up an indictment Monday in connection with Russia probe, an official confirms to NBC News

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/924310720786952193
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Re: Mueller"s Russia Investigation: First Indictments Filed
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2017, 08:22:11 AM »
To no one's surprise the first person indicted for criminal activity is Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign chairman during the mid part of the 2016 presidential campaign. His business associate, Rick Gates is also charged.

While this would be embarrassing for almost any other presidential candidate, it will not faze Donald Trump. There is no indication that Manafort's criminal activity was related to his participation in the presidential campaign. Trump's sexual predation and routinely depraved behavior lend a patina of gentility to the type of white collar crime in which Manafort presumably engaged. The only potential link to Trump lies in money laundering and what Manafort may know about Trump's indebtedness to Russians. Both men have a history of financial dealings with Russian oligarchs. Any connection at this point is pure speculation, but it could explain the Mueller team's focus on Manafort and Gates. Only time will reveal the full meaning of today's action.

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Mr. Gates is a longtime protégé and junior partner of Mr. Manafort. His name appears on documents linked to companies that Mr. Manafort’s firm set up in Cyprus to receive payments from politicians and businesspeople in Eastern Europe, records reviewed by The New York Times show.

Mr. Manafort had been under investigation for violations of federal tax law, money laundering and whether he appropriately disclosed his foreign lobbying.

Paul Manafort, Who Once Ran Trump Campaign, Told to Surrender
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

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Paul Manafort was in the room when Donald Trump Jr. met with a Russian lawyer hoping for dirt on Hilary Clinton. One month later, he reportedly sent an email to a Russian billionaire offering private briefings on the campaign. Before he even signed on with Trump, the FBI was reportedly secretly monitoring his calls.

Why it matters:

Now, he has been asked to surrender to authorities as Robert Mueller issues the first indictments of the Russia probe.

The timeline:

2006

Manafort begins working for Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska, who has close ties with Vladimir Putin, for $10 million per year, per the Washington Post. Around the same time, he's hired by a pro-Russia political party in Ukraine.

2014

The FBI begins investigating Manafort over his consulting work in Ukraine.
As a part of that investigation, the FBI obtains a FISA warrant to wiretap Manafort, per CNN. It was discontinued at some point in 2016, and later renewed. The CNN report emerged in September, 2017.

2016

March 28: Manafort joins the Trump campaign, tasked with wrangling delegates for the convention.
Spring 2016: A new FBI investigation into Manafort is opened, relating to his business ties to foreign countries, including Russia, per the NY Times.
May 19: Manafort is promoted to campaign chairman.
June 9: Manafort attends the Trump Tower meeting at which Donald Trump Jr. had been told he'd receive dirt on Hillary Clinton as part of the Russian government's efforts to help his father win. News of the meeting emerged in July, 2017.
July 7: Manafort reportedly sends an email to an associate of Deripaska, asking if the billionaire would like private briefings on the campaign. News of the email emerged in September, 2017.
August 12: The AP reports on secret ledgers that record $12.7 million in payments to Manafort from the Ukrainian political party, the Party of Regions.
August 19: Manafort quits the campaign, with Jared Kushner reportedly telling him if he doesn't resign immediately he'll be fired.
Late 2016: The FBI renews its wiretaps of Manafort's communications, per CNN.
November 8: Trump is elected president.

2017

March 20: Sean Spicer claims Manafort "played a very limited role for a very limited amount of time" on the campaign.
May 17: Robert Mueller is named special prosecutor in the Russia probe 8 days after Trump removed James Comey as FBI director.
May: Deripaska says he'll cooperate with the Congressional Russia investigations in exchange for full immunity. The offer is declined.
June 27: Manafort registers as a foreign agent.
July 20: The Wall St Journal reports that Mueller is investigating Manafort for possible money laundering.
July 25: Manafort testifies in private before staff for the Senate Intelligence Committee, and turns over his notes from the Trump Jr. meeting. The Senate Judiciary Committee withdraws a subpoena ordering him to appear, and he agrees to produce documents for that committee.
July 26: The FBI raids Manafort's home in Virginia. After the search, prosecutors on the Mueller probe tell Manafort they plan to indict him, per the NY Times. News of the raid emerged in early August.
September 8: Unwittingly communicating with a prankster, Trump lawyer Ty Cobb writes, "Manafort and Flynn have issues separate and apart from the WH that will cause the investigation to linger."
September 15: Jason Meloni, Manafort's spokesman, testifies before Mueller's grand jury. Manafort's lawyer had also been subpoenaed.
September 20: CNN reports that Mueller's is looking into "possible crimes committed as far back as January 2006" by Manafort.
September 26: Roger Stone says Manafort's attorneys are expecting an indictment soon.
October 29: Buzzfeed reports that the FBI is investigating suspicious wire transfers from offshore companies linked to Manafort.
October 30: Manafort is asked to surrender to authorities.

How the Russia probe closed in on Paul Manafort
https://www.axios.com/paul-manafort-timeline-russia-probe-2487747576.html?utm_source=sidebar

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Re: Mueller"s Russia Investigation: First Indictments Filed
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2017, 09:19:01 AM »
If he is found guilty I hope he gets more than a lecture and a slap on the wrist.

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Re: Mueller"s Russia Investigation: First Indictments Filed
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2017, 09:26:00 AM »
Didn't Manafort also work for John Podesta?  Why did Trump hire him anyway?

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Re: Mueller"s Russia Investigation: First Indictments Filed
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2017, 09:28:54 AM »
I guess most of us saw this coming and I'm sure similar charges will be coming for Flynn and given some time, Podesta.....or at least his brother.  I think there were 5-6 companies listed that had not registered as working with foreign governments and all of them have retroactively registered by now.   

So, I'm wondering if they will try to make a deal with Manafort (and Flynn later) to try and get something they can stick on Trump.  Most likely they will try and get something out of Manafort to go after Don Jr. with from the infamous meeting. However, I just don't think Manafort was around long enough to have anything of value. 

End of story is still no Trump/Russia collusion. 

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Re: Mueller"s Russia Investigation: First Indictments Filed
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2017, 09:55:25 AM »

Manfort's indictment runs to 31 pages and is shown in full on the Axios site below. It is an incredibly detailed document. Anyone with Mueller's crew on his case had better be squeaky clean. These people leave no grain of sand unturned.

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It involves 12 counts, per Peter Carr, a spokesman for the special counsel's office: conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading Foreign Agent Registration Act statements, false statements, and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts.

Paul Manafort charged with conspiracy against the U.S.
https://www.axios.com/read-full-paul-manafort-indictment-2503806104.html
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Re: Mueller"s Russia Investigation: First Indictments Filed
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2017, 10:32:35 AM »
Reading through the indictment shows that Manafort and Davis are, in general, charged with crimes arising from their effort to conceal income earned in the Ukraine from US tax laws and deny their lobbying in the US and abroad for the Ukrainian regime of Victor Yanukovich. As Ukrainian president, he came to be viewed, not only as financially corrupt, but as the Kremlin's man in Kiev. He was forced to flee to Moscow in an uprising by pro-European anti-corruption Ukrainians. There is no reference of Manafort's connection to Russian oligarchs or any direct involvement with Russian entities.

Trump has no need to be concerned about anything explicitly stated in the indictment. All criminal charges are entirely extraneous to the 2016 campaign. If Manafort has any dirt on Trump he may bargain for a better deal, but that is beyond our ability to know.

Note on jonas comment:
Trump's open collusion with the Russian hacking scheme by constantly referencing Wikileaks revelations during his campaign and exhortation for Russians to hack Clinton's server to find unpublished emails are not criminal offenses in and of themselves. Trump engaged in collusion without necessarily being involved directly with Russian agents. For good or ill, "collusion" is not a specific federal crime. The media have confused the issue by using the term as if it were an indictable offense.
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Re: Mueller"s Russia Investigation: First Indictments Filed
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2017, 10:32:55 AM »
There should be no sympathy for treason. Whatsoever.
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Re: Mueller"s Russia Investigation: First Indictments Filed
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2017, 03:59:52 PM »
While the Manfort indictment was getting the headlines, the most dangerous charge for the Trump campaign involved a little-known foreign policy adviser, George Papadopoulos.

The charges filed in this case connect Russians directly to the Trump campaign.

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George Papadopoulos, a former campaign adviser to President Trump, pleaded guilty earlier this month to lying to federal officials about contacts he had with people he believed had ties to the Russian government while he was affiliated with Trump’s campaign.

Papadopoulos, who was named by Trump in March 2016 as a foreign policy adviser to the campaign, was first charged under seal in July and ultimately pleaded guilty in October to lying to federal agents investigating Russian interference in the presidential election.

According to court papers released Monday, those contacts included an unnamed overseas professor whom Papadopoulos met in Italy in March, the same month he joined the campaign. In April 2016, the professor told him the Russian government had “dirt” on Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, including thousands of Clinton’s emails.

That conversation occurred two months before the Democratic National Committee revealed it had been hacked and believed Russians were behind the attack. It also came about a month after an email account belonging to Clinton’s campaign chairman, John Podesta, was targeted with a phishing attempt that may have led to the hack of his emails. Podesta’s emails were released by WikiLeaks in October.

...According to court filings, Papadopoulos gave several Trump campaign officials updates about his efforts to broker meetings between the campaign and the Russian government, forwarding information to unnamed people described as “high-ranking campaign officials” and “campaign supervisor.”

...The court papers show that while he was serving as an adviser to the campaign, Papadopoulos met a Russian woman he believed was a niece of Russian President Vladimir Putin and with whom he communicated about setting up a meeting between Trump campaign officials and Russian officials.

...Papadopoulos emailed campaign officials about her offer. A supervisor, who is not named, wrote back, “Great work.”

The Post has reported that Papadopoulos repeatedly emailed top campaign aides to set up such meetings, and some emails show his offers were rebuffed.

However, court documents demonstrate that Papadopoulos had ongoing communications with his Russian contacts and campaign officials about the possibility of an “off the record” trip he might take to Moscow to help facilitate ties.

In one email exchange in August 2016, a campaign supervisor told Papadopoulos that he would “encourage” him and another unnamed foreign policy adviser to “make the trip, if it is feasible,” according to filings. The trip did not ultimately take place.

...Papadopoulos was present later in March, at a meeting of the team in Washington that included both Trump and then-Sen. Jeff Sessions, who had endorsed the campaign.

...The Post has also reported that Sergei Millian, who was a key source of information contained in a dossier of information about Trump’s ties to Russia, told people around him that he was in contact with Papadopoulos during the campaign.

Trump campaign adviser admitted to lying about Russian contacts
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-campaign-adviser-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-about-russian-contacts/2017/10/30/d525e712-bd7d-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_papadopoulos-1126am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.7805424a0d44

In a related matter Tony Podesta, brother of Clinton's campaign chairman, resigned from his position at The Podesta Group as a result of the fallout from Manafort's indictment.

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Tony Podesta, a Democratic power lobbyist, announced to colleagues Monday that he is stepping down amid a series of indictments that cast a shadow on work his firm had done with Paul Manafort that may have benefited a Ukrainian regime friendly to the Kremlin.

The Podesta Group is not named in the newly released indictments, but the company is one of two indirectly referenced in the charges. Podesta and another lobbying firm, Mercury LLC, were working with Manafort and his partner, Rick Gates, from 2012-2014 in lobbying to improve the image of the Ukrainian government. In the indictment they are referred to as “Company A and Company B,” according to people familiar with the companies’ involvement.

Amid swirl of controversy, Democratic power lobbyist Podesta steps down

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/amid-swirl-of-controversy-democratic-power-lobbyist-podesta-steps-down/2017/10/30/14c4bb0a-bd97-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_podesta-320pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.f8eb2dabe8a4

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Re: Mueller"s Russia Investigation: First Indictments Filed
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2017, 04:32:01 PM »
Only problem I see is that talking to someone about setting up a meeting is not actually having a meeting. It looks like the Russians were playing us one against the other. It may be time to clean out both sides of the swamp.