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"Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated.”
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2017, 02:30:31 PM »
How Trump and Republicans will knife their voters in the back with the replacement for Obamacare. Didn't Trump's favorite. P.T. Barnum, say "There's a sucker born every minute?"

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« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2017, 02:35:49 PM »
Trump and Republicans will knife their voters in the back with the replacement for Obamacare. Didn't Trump's favorite. P.T. Barnum, say "There's a sucker born every minute?"

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Why do Trump voters seem to suffer disproportionately from the change being pitched by the president and party they swept into office?

Unlike Obamacare, GOP's replacement plan  — dubbed the "American Health Care Act" — proposes tax credits that would not differentiate by where people lived, nor would it factor in local health insurance prices.

But health care costs vary wildly across the nation, and rural places, which largely went heavily for Trump, also tend to have some of the nation's highest health costs, in large part because they're areas with few doctors and scant competition among health care providers.

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The GOP’s Obamacare replacement is a disaster for some of its most loyal voters
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/10/the-gops-obamacare-replacement-is-a-disaster-for-some-of-its-most-loyal-voters/?utm_term=.5e5eaa554c31&wpisrc=nl_wonk&wpmm=1
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« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2017, 03:29:44 PM »
Trump is in a full court press to sell Trumpcare to House Republicans now that he definitively owns this crushing betrayal. His "humorous" remark may carry a double edge. If he comes after them, they may come after him. Of course, now it's all in good fun. Destroying health insurance for millions of voters who believed you when you promised health care for all with better coverage at a cheaper price is an occasion to celebrate for these jerks. Lie your way into office and then knife your voters in the back. It's the quintessential art of the deal.

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President Trump stormed Capitol Hill on Tuesday to sell the House Republican leadership’s plan to overhaul the health-care system, warning his party that not passing the legislation would yield a political crisis and sweeping electoral defeats.

The president addressed a closed-door meeting of House Republicans days before the measure is expected to come to a vote on the House floor.

Trump used both charm and admonishment as he made his case, reassuring skittish members that they would gain seats in Congress if the bill passed — and singling out Rep. Mark Meadows (R-N.C.), the chairman of the hard-line House Freedom Caucus, in front of colleagues.

“I’m gonna come after you, but I know I won’t have to, because I know you’ll vote ‘yes,’ ” Trump said, according to several Republican lawmakers who attended the meeting. “Honestly, a loss is not acceptable, folks.”

...But Trump’s ability to translate his negotiation skills from the business world to the congressional realm — and to rouse his party behind him — remained unclear by late Tuesday as Meadows and other Republicans stayed firmly on the fence.

After the meeting, Meadows told reporters that the president had not closed the sale, describing the call-out as merely good-natured and insisting that conservative holdouts will continue to press for a tougher package.

“I’m still a ‘no,’ ” Meadows said. “I’ve had no indication that any of my Freedom Caucus colleagues have switched their votes.” The group has about 30 members.


Trump to GOP critics of health care bill: ‘I’m gonna come after you’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/trump-arrives-on-capitol-hill-to-sell-house-gop-health-care-package/2017/03/21/e8ede3d2-0e2b-11e7-9b0d-d27c98455440_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_acahouse-1025am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.e3ac1e84b601
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« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2017, 07:39:25 PM »
The negotiations are over. It's fish or cut bait for House Republicans. If 22 vote against it in the House, Trumpcare will die an ugly death in its current iteration. Trump and Ryan are saying the negotiations are over and recalcitrant Republicans better get in line or they face the wrath of voters who are chomping at the bit to end health insurance for 25 million people. Rasmussen put out a poll that a majority of Americans blame Congress for failing to cut taxes and reduce the debt. Taking health care from the poor and giving a huge tax break to the top 2% is the best way to do it. LOL!
 
Thursday is the big vote...maybe. Do you think Ryan will pull the trigger if he knows he will lose? Not on your life. Sure, the leadership will pretend that this is it in order to build the maximum pressure. If that doesn't appear to be working, there is no way he will risk an historic Republican collapse. Failure would lead to a cascade of claims that Republicans can't govern, that the party is a disunited mess, and that Trump has already lost so much political capital with his lies and ineptitude that his presidency cannot be saved. Of course, even if a bill limps into the Senate it will likely fail. But. one battle at a time.  

Conservatives on health care bill: Negotiations are over

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/20/politics/republicans-count-votes-health-care/
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« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2017, 11:04:51 AM »
Bill Kristol is the neoconservative Republican who founded and edits The Weekly Standard. It has been a major publication for the right.

His latest tweet:

The health care bill doesn't
a) lower costs,
b) improve insurance,
c) increase liberty, or
d) make health care better.
So what's the point?

He doesn't say it, but it's the $800 billion in tax cuts for the rich. C'mon, Bill.

He thinks there may be more support for repeal alone than the leadership realizes.

He counsels postponing the vote and blaming the Democrats. Then, moving on to tax reform.

Of course, tax cuts for the rich are the one issue all Republicans can unite around. That's why they all agree on repealing the Affordable Care Act, but not on a replacement.  People understand when they are losing health insurance, but with tax reform they can be fooled by the complexity and obfuscation of the tax system. Republicans can promise middle class tax cuts that start at incomes of $500,000 and the suckers will buy it.

Trump can sell that one to his blind followers, but most of them will eventually figure out that the replacement for Obamacare is NOT insurance for all with better coverage and lower rates.
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« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2017, 12:48:24 PM »
Today, March 23, Trump is lobbying the Freedom (LOL) Caucus to vote for the "End Health Insurance for Millions" Act. The provision of health care has become irrelevant in the passage of the bill. Purely political imperatives have taken over. The president's shaky credibility is on the line. If he gets the bill passed, he can crow about "winning" a Pyrrhic victory of the most embarrassing kind.

The far right bloc is the largest anti-Trumpcare group. Winning them over will allow the bill to pass the House, but it will only damage the value of health insurance, its cost and benefits. The Caucus believes that it has control at this point and is going to insure that the bill guts Medicaid, provides no base coverage in policies, and terminates government subsidies for low wage workers. If they can secure passage tonight, it will take time before we know the full damage this bill inflicts on a significant group of Trump voters, not to mention the existing health care system. The CBO and health analysts will need to evaluate the details. The Senate may very well wait until this info is available. Only then will the ultimate political crisis for "repeal and replace" arise, rendering today's political theater an exercise in futility.
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« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2017, 05:52:24 PM »
With the wheeling and dealing going on tonight, it is difficult to know exactly what the House might eventually bring to a vote, if anything; but they don't seem to be accomplishing much for all the effort.

The Freedom (LOL) Caucus will not be satisfied until their motto is firmly planted on Trumpcare:  "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

On top of this farce, Trump created a 30 second video for supporters in which he calls on them to press legislators to vote for the bill and says this:  “Go with our plan. It’s going to be terrific.” For the millions of supporters who stand to lose health insurance, this bill is the ultimate act of betrayal. His credibility is already waning, but this would be the final straw if it were to be implemented. The defeat of this bill will serve him better in the long run than its passage.

CBO analysis of House Republicans’ revised health-care bill shows just as many uninsured, less deficit reduction
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/03/23/cbo-analysis-of-house-republicans-revised-health-care-bill-shows-just-as-many-uninsured-less-deficit-reduction/?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar&tid=a_breakingnews&utm_term=.45c78a5e8675

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The score by the Congressional Budget Office projects federal deficits would be lowered by $150 billion over 10 years but still projects that 24 million more Americans would be uninsured by 2026 than under the Affordable Care Act. The analysis comes as House Republicans continue making changes to try to line up enough votes to pass the bill.
This is a developing story. It will be updated.
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« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2017, 11:25:56 PM »
Quinnipiac has a poll out that shows devastating national hostility to Trumpcare. Health insurance is a necessity and everybody except Trump, an inveterate liar and narcissist, and his coterie of senseless Congressional Republicans, know this from hard experience. To do anything that will take that away from 24 million people just to give billions of dollars to the wealthiest 2% is a crime against humanity.

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American voters disapprove 56 - 17 percent, with 26 percent undecided, of the Republican health care plan to replace Obamacare, the Affordable Care Act, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today. Support among Republicans is a lackluster 41 - 24 percent.

If their U.S. Senator or member of Congress votes to replace Obamacare with the Republican health care plan, 46 percent of voters say they will be less likely to vote for that person, while 19 percent say they will be more likely and 29 percent say this vote won't matter, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll finds.

Disapproval of the Republican plan is 56 - 22 percent among men, 56 - 13 percent among women, 54 - 20 percent among white voters, 64 - 10 percent among non-white voters, 80 - 3 percent among Democrats, 58 - 14 percent among independent voters and by margins of 2-1 or more in every age group.

One out of every seven Americans, 14 percent, think they will lose their health insurance under the Republican plan. That 14 percent includes 27 percent of voters in families with household income below $30,000, 18 percent of working class families and 14 percent of middle class families.

Fewer Americans would be covered under the GOP plan than are covered under Obamacare, 61 percent of voters find, while 8 percent say more would be covered and 18 percent say the number would be about the same.

"Replacing Obamacare will come with a price for elected representatives who vote to scrap it, say many Americans, who clearly feel their health is in peril under the Republican alternative," said Tim Malloy, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Poll.


March 23, 2017 - U.S. Voters Oppose GOP Health Plan 3-1, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Big Opposition To Cuts To Medicaid, Planned Parenthood
https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2443
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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2017, 12:43:50 AM »
I will sign off on the health insurance topic to point out the obvious. Trump wants his money up front. The tax cut he was going to get from stealing health insurance from 24 million Americans (to whom he lied about getting them cheaper rates and better coverage) was not going to materialize soon enough to suit him, so he pulled the plug. If he really cared about health insurance or health care or anything related to the issue, he would be fighting on and on as did Obama when it took more than a year to finally sign the Affordable Care Act. But. for Trump, it is time to move on because he is all about the money...money for HIM...and tax "reform" is his next target because he is looking for a huge payday. Remember, he talked about jobs, jobs, jobs, but that infrastructure bill is nowhere to be seen and his budget actually CUTS infrastructure spending. While that should be the next legislative project because of the length of time it takes for such projects to get approved and implemented, it lies in some vaporous limbo nowhere to be found in Trump's budget proposal. What Trump said when he demanded an up or down vote on the biggest political betrayal of the voters in modern political history, that is, before he chickened out on actually having the vote, was the need to move on to tax reform---not a word about infrastructure or jobs or whatever. Tax reform, that's where he will make his government job really pay off for HIM.

Justin Wolfers‏ @JustinWolfers  
 Ryan in sudden shift, from pushing tax cuts for the rich & calling it healthcare, to pushing tax cuts for the rich & calling it tax reform.

Trump has promised big spending on infrastructure. His budget cuts it
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/16/politics/trump-infrastructure/
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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2017, 08:11:17 AM »
WARNING: There is some offensive language and imagery in this video. However, I have never seen a better dissection of Trump's promises.

[video=youtube_share;35T9jC_MASQ]https://youtu.be/35T9jC_MASQ[/video]
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« Reply #40 on: April 04, 2017, 09:48:11 AM »
Republicans are desperate to steal $800 billion from health insurance to make their tax cuts for the rich fatter and jucier. Thus Pence, an ally of the Freedom (LOL) Caucus, has been "negotiating" with them to make America sick again. The latest iteration of this farce is a proposition that would essentially gut the protection for people who have preexisting conditions. Another gem would allow insurance companies to sell worthless policies again. One of the major reforms of Obamacare was the requirement that basic coverage is required in all policies. That means that if you get cancer, your drugs are covered and you can't be kicked off your coverage for a "preexisting" condition. Many people who thought they had coverage were denied services because they maxed out based on an artificial cost ceiling. These were common problems before Obamacare put a stop to them. Republicans want to return to those conditions.

Death and bankruptcy were the common results of these deceptive and underhanded practices. It's sickening to think that Pence and the Sabotage Caucus are plotting to these bring back. The idiot in the White House, the one who promised better insurance for everyone at a lower price, thinks this is just wonderful.  

Republican Health Proposal Would Undermine Coverage for Pre-existing Conditions
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/04/upshot/freedom-caucus-health-care-pre-existing-conditions.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
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« Reply #41 on: April 04, 2017, 08:46:25 PM »
Recent Obamacare polling. Don't it always seem to go, you don't know what you've got till it's gone...or threatened by lying, stab-voters-in-the-back Trump/Republicans.

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/849364750270181376/photo/1
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« Reply #42 on: April 04, 2017, 09:08:50 PM »
A Freedom (Barf) Caucus spokesman is upset that the "Hell No" gang is being accused of proposing a change in Trumpcare that would eliminate protection for people with preexisting conditions. It's a lie he says. WTF! These idiots are pushing for a bill that eliminates health insurance for more than 25 million people and this is what he's whining about??!!!

The latest info suggests that there is still no deal. Of course, there is no deal! The Sabotage Gang wants to repeal Obamacare PERIOD, END OF STORY. Let the peasants do without. Health insurance is a privilege of the rich, the well born and their progeny. Let the fools suffer. They elected us to give ourselves tax cuts and we want the money subsidizing health insurance to put in our pockets.  

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Attempts to reach a deal this week on health care are unraveling fast, with conservatives already blaming House Speaker Paul Ryan for blocking the White House bill, and leadership sources saying that's nonsense and that the Freedom Caucus is making unreasonable demands that are losing net votes.

It's a bad sign for Republicans ahead of Vice President Mike Pence's visit to the Capitol tonight. From a senior Republican source:
"While we haven't picked up any votes yet, this concept is already showing signs of losing a ton of them."

The Freedom Caucus and conservative group perspective: The bill's text is changing for the worse, and it no longer looks like some of the Obamacare regulations will be waived. Conservatives are growing doubtful that the White House and House leadership are willing to get rid of Obamacare's ban on charging sick people higher premiums. Conservatives also want to know what leadership has to say about the "medical loss ratio," or the Obamacare regulation limiting how much of insurers' revenue can be profit.

They're also not happy about the accusation that getting rid of the Obamacare ban on charging higher premiums would nullify its protections for pre-existing conditions.

A Freedom Caucus source: "We've never ever wanted to go after pre-existing conditions. That's spin (well a lie) meant to undermine us. Pence said he supports our plan of reforming, and funding changes to high risk pools, specifically to deal with pre-existing conditions."

House leadership perspective: Where the plan is heading will potentially lose more votes than it picks up. The Freedom Caucus, they say, is moving the goal posts again and trying to shift blame.

What to watch: Pence's meeting tonight around 8:30pm with "major stakeholders," per a GOP source.
Trumpcare revival talks falling apart ahead of Pence meeting
https://www.axios.com/trumpcare-revival-talks-falling-apart-ahead-of-pence-meeting-2344729578.html
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« Reply #43 on: April 04, 2017, 09:12:32 PM »
Gallup Poll from a few hours ago shows even more support for Obamacare.

Obamacare now has 55% approval; 30% want repeal
55% approve, up from 42% right after 2016 election
40% want to keep law but make significant changes
30% want to repeal; 26% want to keep law as it is



Affordable Care Act Gains Majority Approval for First Time
http://www.gallup.com/poll/207671/affordable-care-act-gains-majority-approval-first-time.aspx
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« Reply #44 on: May 04, 2017, 04:17:35 PM »
The Republicans are celebrating a strange victory with the prospective loss of health insurance by 24+ million people. The CBO analysis of the Obamacare replacement bill House Republicans just passed is coming in the next week or two. We will know the full devastating effects then. Why Republicans, including the clueless Trump, think rushing a bill through the House before it has been objectively vetted is a good idea remains inexplicable. The Senate will not take up the  bill until the CBO and other analyses have taken place. The torrent of negative assessments will only make the House action seem idiotic as the Senate seems overwhelmingly opposed already. At best it seems to give momentum to the possibility that Dems could actually take the House in 2018. Perhaps it is Republican confidence in their formidable gerrymandering that gives them the confidence that they can do something so vile and heinous as to take away health insurance from low income people just to give a tax cut to the rich.

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Round one of the battle over Obamacare repeal is in the books. Round two is set to begin, with the opponents more powerful and the obstacles more imposing.
It's worth remembering that passage of the Republican healthcare plan in the House of Representatives was supposed to be the easy part. House Speaker Paul Ryan had a sizeable majority at his disposal and the political tools to reward support and punish transgressions.
Instead the American Health Care Act's long, laborious journey exposed divisions within the Republican Party and the limits in Donald Trump's powers of persuasion. These challenges won't disappear. The fault lines will be put under greater pressure and Mr Trump's skills will be further tested when action heads to the Senate.

Trump scores healthcare victory in House
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39809168

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