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Title: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 06, 2018, 04:55:34 PM
From the time he entered the primary, Trump's behavior has been under scrutiny. Because voters didn't really know much about him, despite his publicity-seeking history, many saw him as a forthright tell-it-like-it-is guy. As the campaign progressed it became clear that he was the biggest liar to walk the political stage in anyone's lifetime. Pundits chalked it up to a general over-the-top personality and his fans loved it. He was making promises left and right that sober politicians knew were ridiculous, but most Republicans will vote for anyone with an R before the name (Roy Moore, for example) and some down and out Democrats were suckers for the promises that turned to lies once he was in office.

By the time he had the nomination, concern was clearly evident that something was not right about this man. Psychologists were beginning to chafe at APA rules that prevented them from discussing Trump's clearly unstable personality disorder. Eventually some were so concerned that they openly discussed his narcissism, lack of compassion, and inability to relate to anyone else's circumstances.

Cut to his time as president and we have read often that his PDA is often in pictures because he doesn't read and he was bored with the discussion. His short attention span was massaged by putting his name often in whatever document he was required to peruse.

Today we know that he is semiliterate, ignorant of the most basic elements of government and the issues that face the nation, but believes that he is a genius who doesn't need to listen to anyone. The man is a "child" in the view of most of the White House staff who must have constant self-gratification or he becomes angry or sullen. He has begun repeating himself in the space of 10 minute periods up from a former 30 minutes and his commentary is all over the place, full of non-sequiturs and contradictions.

The man is mentally unstable. That wouldn't be a problem if he wasn't president of the United States. The minority of Americans who elected him president made a horrible mistake. The question remains what to do about it. Unfortunately, the Republican party is out to make the most of this chance to implement its greedy, self-serving agenda and will tolerate a dangerous, mentally-unfit ignoramus in the White House to do it. The safety of the nation be damned. 

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In the past week alone, a new book resurfaced previously reported concerns among the president’s own advisers about his fitness for office, the question of his mental state came up at two White House briefings and the secretary of state was asked if Mr. Trump was mentally fit. After the president boasted that his “nuclear button” was bigger than Kim Jong-un’s in North Korea, Richard W. Painter, a former adviser to President George W. Bush, described the claim as proof that Mr. Trump is “psychologically unfit” and should have his powers transferred to Vice President Mike Pence under the Constitution’s 25th Amendment.

Mr. Trump’s self-absorption, impulsiveness, lack of empathy, obsessive focus on slights, tenuous grasp of facts and penchant for sometimes far-fetched conspiracy theories have generated endless op-ed columns, magazine articles, books, professional panel discussions and cable television speculation.

“The level of concern by the public is now enormous,” said Bandy X. Lee, a forensic psychiatrist at Yale School of Medicine and editor of “The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President,” a book released last fall. “They’re telling us to speak more loudly and clearly and not to stop until something is done because they are terrified.”

Trump, Defending His Mental Fitness, Says He’s a ‘Very Stable Genius’
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/06/us/politics/trump-genius-mental-health.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Today Trump topped his most ridiculous tweets by claiming that his accomplishments would qualify him as "not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!” 

I am sure everyone can relax now that the "genius" has spoken.  :o
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: RealConservative on January 07, 2018, 10:17:41 AM
Im a lifelong Republican and a by the book conservative. Donald is not and I think his mental health is showing to be very weak as the weeks go by. I know some good real republicans are hiding and waiting for the chance to get him ushered out of office.

Thatd be a relief and I think Mike Pence would make a very good President! And if his poor mental health doesnt get ride of him I look forward to a Marco Rubio/Ted Cruz/John Kasich primary!

Trump is a joke. And a draft-dodging pussy. That is all for now.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Common Sense on January 07, 2018, 12:45:02 PM
A bit graphic there at the end, but, yeah....thatd be nice!

And my house is a fan of Kasich.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 07, 2018, 12:57:15 PM
I think Mike Pence is a terrible choice for president on virtually every domestic policy issue imaginable, BUT, I am more than ready for him to take office as president in view of the obvious disability of our current occupant. The 25th Amendment offers the most logical and efficient process. If a fraction of Fire and Fury is true--and much of this has already been reported from a variety of sources, the Cabinet should be prepared to pull the trigger now. It may seem prudent to wait until Trump commits some egregious error that has catastrophic consequences, but I would say that is an unfolding process rather than a bolt from the blue...and the more dangerous for it. 

I join RealConservative in calling for the elevation of Mike Pence NOW!
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 07, 2018, 04:09:03 PM
One man's version of crazy is another man's version of genius. I'm just glad Hillary is not president.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Blue Fish on January 07, 2018, 10:21:55 PM
This is funny. Trump has been an odd-ball forever. Now we've got a thread questioning his mental health. Which, of course, is to say he's an odd-ball. If we're honest here, questioning someone's mental health because they are different is nothing more than condescending.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: LpMv2407 on January 08, 2018, 12:59:04 AM
This is funny. Trump has been an odd-ball forever. Now we've got a thread questioning his mental health. Which, of course, is to say he's an odd-ball. If we're honest here, questioning someone's mental health because they are different is nothing more than condescending.

I don't know that we've had a president this "different" in a while. Definitely not in my lifetime.

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Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: LpMv2407 on January 08, 2018, 01:03:30 AM
Im a lifelong Republican and a by the book conservative. Donald is not and I think his mental health is showing to be very weak as the weeks go by. I know some good real republicans are hiding and waiting for the chance to get him ushered out of office.

Thatd be a relief and I think Mike Pence would make a very good President! And if his poor mental health doesnt get ride of him I look forward to a Marco Rubio/Ted Cruz/John Kasich primary!

Word Association(For Me). Mike Pence = Carrier(Air Conditioners).

$7 Million dollars. Still move plants to Mexico. Crony Capitalism.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 08, 2018, 10:42:05 AM
This is funny. Trump has been an odd-ball forever. Now we've got a thread questioning his mental health. Which, of course, is to say he's an odd-ball. If we're honest here, questioning someone's mental health because they are different is nothing more than condescending.

Odd-ball? You really think Trump is just an odd-ball? You did actually observe him blatantly lie repeatedly about events on which he could easily be fact-checked, didn't you? And that is just the beginning of his incapacity.

It's so ridiculous a defense of Trump it's hilarious. Thanks, for the laugh.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 08, 2018, 10:55:25 AM
Im a lifelong Republican and a by the book conservative. Donald is not and I think his mental health is showing to be very weak as the weeks go by. I know some good real republicans are hiding and waiting for the chance to get him ushered out of office.

Thatd be a relief and I think Mike Pence would make a very good President! And if his poor mental health doesnt get ride of him I look forward to a Marco Rubio/Ted Cruz/John Kasich primary!

Word Association(For Me). Mike Pence = Carrier(Air Conditioners).

$7 Million dollars. Still move plants to Mexico. Crony Capitalism.

Solution: Export Mike Pence to Mexico; replace him with Empty Suit. Implement 25th Amendment. Make Empty Suit the President of the United States. Nation saved.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 08, 2018, 11:09:58 AM
Just wondering..

If you bounce an odd-ball, does it respond like a normal ball or does it bounce in the wrong direction? Reminds me of a basketball with a knot in it. You start a drive to the basket and the ball bounces in the wrong direction and ends up in the stands. Kind of like Donald Trump. He starts talking about the fallen heroes at the CIA and ends up talking about the crowd size at his inauguration. The ball just bounced on that knot and...well...who knows where it will land.

Suppose you are in the middle of a game...make it a really important game. Your odd-ball with the knot in it keeps screwing everything up. No one can shoot with it; it has this crazy spin that makes it curve crazily out of bounds on a shot from the deep corner. A three ball is impossible. Passes whiz in unpredictable directions. One guy got a broken nose on a hard pass inside. What do you do with an odd-ball that creates that kind of disruption, that is destroying the game, that is creating a danger to the players. YOU GET RID OF IT!

Yeah, that's what you do with an odd-ball. You replace it with one that can actually function.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 08, 2018, 01:59:23 PM
You must be be the most unhappiest person in the world.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 08, 2018, 02:39:40 PM
LOL. Well I am reading The Forgotten Holocaust: The Poles Under German Occupation, 1939-1944. It doesn't lighten one's mood. But the idea of Trump as just an odd-ball has given me a lot to laugh about.

Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 08, 2018, 03:30:04 PM
I understand now. That has to be a serious book. I have to admit that a non politician as president is unique - which I guess is another word for odd. LOL!
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Blue Fish on January 08, 2018, 06:07:54 PM
I'm sticking with my character description of Trump as an "odd-ball." That's what I called him before he ran for president and while he was running. If there's anything more I can think to say about it, it's that he's consistently odd.

The laugh to me is why you would call me out for "defending" Trump when I'm criticizing him for being odd.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: LpMv2407 on January 08, 2018, 06:23:39 PM
I'm sticking with my character description of Trump as an "odd-ball." That's what I called him before he ran for president and while he was running. If there's anything more I can think to say about it, it's that he's consistently odd.

The laugh to me is why you would call me out for "defending" Trump when I'm criticizing him for being odd.

"Odd" doesn't necessarily have a negative meaning. If normal is bad(which in at least the the last 20 years i would say could be the case), odd could be good.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Blue Fish on January 08, 2018, 06:53:31 PM
Well now we're just mincing words. In all my life I never heard anyone compliment someone by calling them "odd."
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 09, 2018, 01:49:18 AM
Sorry, but we are talking about the mental incapacity of the president. We are told that he has difficulty understanding cause and effect relationships; the he demands immediate gratification; that he binges on TV while ignoring any and all policy details; that he doesn't read anything period, that he repeats himself every ten minutes, that he makes up his own reality which frequently does not reflect the factual world. "Odd" just doesn't quite capture it.

Now, you could probably say that Pence is "odd" because he will not allow himself to be alone with a woman, other than his immediate family, or so we are told. Although that could become fashionable in the #Me Too era.  Still, there just seems to be this huge definitional (sic) gap between the two "odds."

I spent seven years of my recent life monitoring, assisting, and managing the affairs of two people who were in a state of mental decline from independence to full on dementia. That ended a year and a half ago. It's not pretty and it's irreversible. If the president is suffering this decline--and there is considerable evidence that he is--he is a danger to the world and he needs better care than he is getting. Right now, he needs somebody to level with him. 

 
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Blue Fish on January 09, 2018, 08:37:30 AM
The lengths people will go to discredit people or parties with differing and opposite opinions amazes me.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 09, 2018, 11:05:50 AM
Solon - you must remember you are getting your information from Trump haters.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 09, 2018, 12:14:57 PM
The lengths people will go to discredit people or parties with differing and opposite opinions amazes me.

The lengths some people will go to deny reality amazes me. You have completely missed the boat on this. I am talking about replacing Trump with Mike Pence. I can't imagine anything worse from a political perspective.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 09, 2018, 12:27:54 PM
Solon - you must remember you are getting your information from Trump haters.

No, we are not, Steven. The information is coming from Trump's own advisers. These are the people quoted on the record in Fire and Fury and off the record in the Washington Post, New York Times, Wall Street Journal, etc. 
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Common Sense on January 09, 2018, 02:00:10 PM
Yeah, well. The truth stings some times!

Has anyone gotten the book yet?

I have 2 on my docket to finish before I buy another book. I'm currently on "Bobby Kennedy: A Raging Spirit" by Chris Matthews. Its an amazing read!
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Blue Fish on January 09, 2018, 02:45:52 PM
The lengths people will go to discredit people or parties with differing and opposite opinions amazes me.

The lengths some people will go to deny reality amazes me. You have completely missed the boat on this. I am talking about replacing Trump with Mike Pence. I can't imagine anything worse from a political perspective.

Solon, looks like to me we both adequately accept reality. What you see and what I see as reality are purely our own personal perceptions. What you are saying here is that if I don't agree with how you see it, then I'm denying how it really is. That's condescending. I'm entitled to my own opinion of how I see things just as you or anyone else here. If a President doesn't behave the way you think he should, then he has mental health issues. If a poster doesn't agree with you then they deny reality. Good grief.

I know very well what you are talking about, and I believe we are on a sailboat of your making. For some reason you keep rowing against the wind. It might be good exercise, but it doesn't change much.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 09, 2018, 05:16:24 PM
Fire And Fury is nothing but tabloid garbage.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: LpMv2407 on January 10, 2018, 12:42:53 AM
Fire And Fury is nothing but tabloid garbage.

Not that I disgree, but what is your source or reasoning for that?
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 10, 2018, 08:18:26 AM
Here is what I found.

Fake but Accurate

http://thefederalist.com/2018/01/07/fire-and-fury-fake-but-accurate/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/jan/09/fact-checking-read-fire-and-fury-michael-wolff/



Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 11, 2018, 07:51:42 PM
The lengths people will go to discredit people or parties with differing and opposite opinions amazes me.

The lengths some people will go to deny reality amazes me. You have completely missed the boat on this. I am talking about replacing Trump with Mike Pence. I can't imagine anything worse from a political perspective.

Solon, looks like to me we both adequately accept reality. What you see and what I see as reality are purely our own personal perceptions. What you are saying here is that if I don't agree with how you see it, then I'm denying how it really is. That's condescending. I'm entitled to my own opinion of how I see things just as you or anyone else here. If a President doesn't behave the way you think he should, then he has mental health issues. If a poster doesn't agree with you then they deny reality. Good grief.

I know very well what you are talking about, and I believe we are on a sailboat of your making. For some reason you keep rowing against the wind. It might be good exercise, but it doesn't change much.

1. I have lots of information to back my belief that Trump is unfit and dangerous--specifically comments from the people who work with him on a daily basis.

2. Because of that information, I am prepared to replace Trump with someone who POLITCALLY would be worse. Whereas Trump is incompetent and not particularly ideological, Pence would be efficient, effective, and accomplish much more of the conservative Republican agenda than Trump. I am willing to live with that because of No.1

3. My comment that you "missed the boat" was your statement that indicated my desire to replace Trump was entirely political when in fact I am prepared to replace him with Pence who, in my opinion, would be far more detrimental to the political programs I favor.

4. If I follow your last point--in the end it won't happen and all the hand-wringing won't change a thing. That I agree with completely.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 12, 2018, 07:39:59 AM
You said it correctly - "your beliefs"
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 12, 2018, 08:23:18 AM
Solon - we all know that if Mike Pence was president you would be saying the same things about him as you are Trump.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Common Sense on January 12, 2018, 11:09:56 AM
No. I believe he would not.

The threads and conversation would shift to actual POLICY and LEADERSHIP rather than the tweets of the angry, orange toddler and his vision of our republic.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 12, 2018, 11:45:53 AM
No one said anyone has to only discuss tweets and disrespecting the President - that's a personal choice.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Common Sense on January 12, 2018, 11:51:43 AM
He rules and leads by way of twitter. Thats the only way to analyze him.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 12, 2018, 12:53:36 PM
LOL! You got me on that one! Maybe instead of president we should call him the Twitterdent of the United States 
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 12, 2018, 01:26:37 PM
Solon - we all know that if Mike Pence was president you would be saying the same things about him as you are Trump.

Maybe I have not explained myself clearly, Steven. So let me give it another try.

I would attack Pence's policies with both barrels. His character and sanity, however, are above reproach. I would not start a thread like this about Pence. Character is destiny and I would rather tie the nation to a staunch conservative like Pence--with whom I disagree completely on most domestic issues, than a morally unscrupulous liar (and that's only the half of it) like Trump, regardless of the political implications.

Here is the headline I woke up to this morning on the BBC: Donald Trump's 'racist slur' provokes outrage http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42664173
It's the BBC, for heaven's sake! It's not a partisan Democratic outlet. It's the basic, fact's only website I make my homepage for that reason. It's published in practically every language on earth. The whole world is judging us based on what Trump says and does. How can you or anyone defend that? Please, Congress, Cabinet make Mike Pence president. Three more years of this is sickening to contemplate.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 12, 2018, 01:35:30 PM
Actually he never made a racial slur. The liberal left "decided"  that it was a racist slur. More fake news.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 12, 2018, 01:47:10 PM
The BBC is not the liberal left.

Here's what a real Conservative says:

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No, he did say it. The White House did not deny it. Multiple witnesses heard him. He reportedly tried to sample opinion on how his remarks were playing. If you want to justify continuing to defend a racist president whose attention span and mental acuity are far below minimally acceptable standards, do so. But don’t play the “maybe he didn’t, maybe he didn’t” game. When Hillary Clinton suggested half of Trump’s supporters were “deplorables,” she was hooted and hollered down.

Let me suggest there are two types of deplorables — the self-proclaimed white nationalists who share his views and the people who think racism is of so little consequence that it’s worth having a racist in the White House to get what they want (e.g. a tax cut).

The enablers of the racist president are back at it
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/01/12/the-enablers-of-the-racist-president-are-back-at-it/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-c%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.205584877e2d

Jennifer Rubin was tough on Obama, but what she says about Trump is in another category all together.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Blue Fish on January 12, 2018, 01:54:09 PM
CNN and the Washington Post said someone in a closed door meeting said he said it. Trump said he didn't. If BBC said he said it, then I'm sure they have proof, other than someone said he did. Regardless, it sounds like something he would say. Enough of what someone said he said or didn't, here's some real antics for you. .....

Our outgoing Governor is expecting to run for President. Apparently the way to the White House is to challenge Trump to a fist fight. I'm sure a 15-rounder could be sanctioned in some "shithole" country.

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Outgoing Democratic Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe told a national television audience he'd knock President Donald Trump to the floor if the president ever tried to intimidate him.

During an interview Thursday on MSNBC's "Hardball," Chris Matthews asked McAuliffe how he would respond if Trump tried to intimidate him during a debate by hovering over him, as he did during the 2016 presidential election with Hillary Clinton, a close friend of McAuliffe's.

"You'd have to pick him up off the floor," McAuliffe said.

When Matthews laughed and asked if he meant he would "deck" Trump, McAuliffe answered with a straight face.

"You want to get in my space ... you punch me, I'm going to punch you back twice as hard."

"But if he ever came over and leaned on me and got in my space, that would be the last time Donald Trump ever did that. I promise you that," he added.

McAuliffe, who was a top Democratic fundraiser before being elected governor in 2013, is set to leave office Saturday. He has been mentioned as a possible presidential candidate.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 12, 2018, 02:12:18 PM
Where is the proof? I'm sure the story did not originate with the BBC. Someone from CNN and the Washington Post started this mess and I don't put any faith in them although I will admit it does sound like something he would say - but where is the racist part of it?  Would you take your family on vacation to Haiti or would you go to Dollywood?  Sometimes the truth hurts.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 12, 2018, 02:23:00 PM
Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham confirmed Trump's remarks for his fellow Republican Senator, Tim Scott. Apparently, he challenged Trump to his face for making the remarks.

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U.S. Sen. Tim Scott said he talked to fellow South Carolina Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham about hearing President Donald Trump's "shithole countries" comment and Graham confirmed to him the president said it.

Graham, Scott said, told him the reported comments are “basically accurate.”

...One senator who was present and did hear the remarks, Illinois Democrat Richard Durbin, said Friday that Graham challenged Trump on his use of the slur.

Durbin told MSNBC that Graham objected to the president's phrasing while discussing immigration from African nations and also Haiti.

"My colleague, [Sen. Graham], spoke up and made a direct comment on what the president said," Durbin is quoted as saying.

He added "for him to confront the president as he did, literally sitting next to him, took extraordinary political courage and I respect him for it."

The Washington Post first broke the the account that Trump used the phrase, citing two sources aware of the meeting.

Sen. Tim Scott: Graham says reports of Trump's 'shithole countries' comment 'basically accurate'
https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/sen-tim-scott-trump-s-shithole-countries-comment-is-accurate/article_e99c2fba-f7a9-11e7-a381-d7950e17b81f.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 12, 2018, 02:30:18 PM
An Axios-Survey Monkey poll finds that 55% of Americans believe that Trump's mental fitness is a legitimate concern.

New poll: Most see Trump’s mental fitness as legitimate concern

https://www.axios.com/trumps-mental-health-is-yet-another-partisan-issue-1515706222-15fada1b-01a1-48d3-9abf-fda58b279a00.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&stream=top-stories

Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 12, 2018, 02:33:08 PM
Basically accurate is the same thing as basically inaccurate.

From Newsweek - "Haiti is hell on earth" - did any of you rant and rave against Newsweek?

http://www.newsweek.com/worst-countries-world-154751
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 12, 2018, 02:34:53 PM
And 75% of politicians live in a swamp.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 12, 2018, 03:23:24 PM
Compare Haiti against Norway. Which of these would be your choice for a honeymoon vacation?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTTbHzAVwAAu4jK.jpg
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Blue Fish on January 12, 2018, 05:30:05 PM
Ha! Ignore the fist-a-cuffs promise by our outgoing Governor.

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_480w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/02/09/Local-Politics/Images/632689684.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Common Sense on January 13, 2018, 08:14:47 PM
Ha! Ignore the fist-a-cuffs promise by our outgoing Governor.

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_480w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/02/09/Local-Politics/Images/632689684.jpg)

I think it was hilarious! And that's in the circumstance that Terry McAuliffe is a 2020 candidate; not an our right call for brawl.

Donald would duck out of that circumstance. He's not tough enough to handle himself were that to happen. But hey...Donald's biggest love is ratings of TV and entertainment and you KNOW that would be a rating blockbuster!
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Blue Fish on January 14, 2018, 12:07:00 AM
So... I haven't heard it said, but seems like in my lifetime, once a President - twice a President... that means our list for the next election has Trump vs McAuliffe for the Heavyweight title, or Trump vs Oprah for the highest rated TV appearance. Such entertainment.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Blue Fish on January 14, 2018, 07:03:26 AM
I’m on my cell and I got this from Facebook. Couldn’t make the link work so I’m pasting the whole thing. It was written by Andrew Klavin

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Nothing scandalizes a leftist like the truth. Point out that women and men are different, that black Americans commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime, that most terrorist acts are committed by Muslims, and the Left leaps to its collective feet in openmouthed shock, like Margaret Dumont after a Groucho Marx wisecrack. This is racism! This is sexism! This is some sort of phobia! I’m shocked, shocked to find facts being spoken in polite company!
No one is really shocked, of course. This is simply a form of bullying. The Left has co-opted our good manners and our good will in order to silence our opposition to their bad policies. The idea is to make it seem impolite and immoral to mention the obvious.
The bullying is highly effective and very dangerous. In England, in the city of Rotherham, at least 1,400 non-Muslim girls, some as young as 11, were brutally raped by Muslim immigrants over a period of years in the 2000s. Police and other officials worked to keep the facts hidden because, according to multiple reports, they were afraid of being called racist. Think about that: police officers did not want to seem racist, so they stood by and let their city’s children be raped. The same thing goes on in other cities in England and throughout Europe. And in fact, some who have spoken out have had their careers curtailed by manufactured scandal. The message is clear: it’s just not nice to tell the truth. It’s just not done. Don’t do it.
Here in the states, the First Amendment has so far allowed old-fashioned American loudmouths to fight the system whenever they could find ways around our monolithic corporate media. But the Empire of Lies is quick to strike back. Google/YouTube now stands charged by multiple accusers of singling out conservative voices for censorship, “fact-checking,” and demonetization. Hidden-camera videos released by Project Veritas this week show Twitter employees conspiring to “shadow ban” conservatives on their system. On campus, intelligent conservative speakers of good will like Ben Shapiro, Charles Murray, and Cristina Hoff-Somers have faced violent protests meant to shut them up.
No person of importance on the right seeks to silence anyone on the left. The Left, on the other hand, is broadly committed to ostracizing, blacklisting, and even criminalizing right-wing speech.
Enter President Donald Trump. He is a rude and crude person. He speaks like a Queens real estate guy on a construction site. And because he does not have good manners, he thoughtlessly breaks the rules with which the Left has sought to muzzle those who disagree with them. In this regard, I frequently compare Trump to Randle Patrick McMurphy, the loudmouthed, ill-mannered roustabout from Ken Kesey’s brilliant novel One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. McMurphy comes into an insane asylum controlled by a pleasant, smiling nightmare of a head nurse named Ratched. Nurse Ratched, while pretending to be the soul of motherly care, is actually a castrating, silencing tyrant. Her rules of good manners, supposedly fashioned for the benefit of all, are really a system of mental slavery. All of McMurphy’s salient character flaws suddenly become heroic in the context of her oppression. Only his belligerent ignorance of what constitutes good behavior can overturn the velvet strangulation of her rule.
For Nurse Ratched, read Hillary Clinton, CNN, the New York Times, Yale University, Twitter, and Google/YouTube—all the tender ministers of polite silence and enforced dishonesty. If Donald Trump’s boorishness crashes like a bull through the crystal madhouse of their leftism—well, good. It’s about time.
I don’t know exactly what Trump said in a closed-door meeting with senators at the White House this week. Unnamed sources say that he referred to some African countries and Haiti as “shitholes.” Maybe so; sounds like him. In any case, when it comes to a chance to attack Trump, our journalists don’t waste time with fact-gathering or source-identifying. Like Madonna, they just strike a pose. Various media knuckleheads have reacted to the alleged comment by calling Trump “racist,” “Nazi,” “Evil,” and a “terrorist sympathizer.”
(Personally, my first thought on hearing about the remark was: “What squirrely little tattle-tale of a weasel went running to the press with that?” But never mind. That’s just me.)
Let’s state the obvious. Some countries are shitholes. To claim that this is racist is racist. They are not shitholes because of the color of the populace but because of bad ideas, corrupt governance, false religion, and broken culture. Further, most of the problems in these countries are generated at the top. Plenty of rank-and-file immigrants from such ruined venues ultimately make good Americans—witness those who came from 1840s potato-famine Ireland, a shithole if ever there was one! It takes caution and skill to separate the good from the bad.
For these very reasons, absurd immigration procedures like chain migration, lotteries, and unvetted entries are deeply destructive. They can lead to the sort of poor choices that create a Rotherham. Trump’s suggestions—to vet immigrants for pro-American ideas and skills that will help our country—are smart and reasonable and would clearly make the system better if implemented.
So, when it comes to the Great Shithole Controversy of 2018, my feeling is: I do not care, not even a little. I’m sorry that it takes someone like Trump to break the spell of silence the Left is forever weaving around us. I wish a man like Ronald Reagan would come along and accomplish the same thing with more wit and grace. But that was another culture. History deals the cards it deals; we just play them. Trump is what we’ve got.
For all the bad language, for all the loose talk, I would rather hear a man speak as a man without fear of the Nurse Ratcheds in the press and the academy than have him neutered and gagged by a system of good manners that has been misused as a form of oppression. Better impoliteness than silence. Better crudeness than lies.
We have seen the effect of uncontrolled immigration on Europe. It is very, very bad. The fact is: some countries are shitholes. I don’t want this to become one of them.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Blue Fish on January 14, 2018, 07:05:23 AM
I apologize for the length, but it gets right at what I’ve been trying to say.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 14, 2018, 02:07:45 PM
Steve Schmidt, chairman of John McCain's presidential campaign, life-long Republican, sums it up in fewer words. (This is a combination of 5 tweets to simplify the text.)

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Steve Schmidt

@SteveSchmidtSES
The debasement of the office of the President of the United States of America is a tragedy.  Trump has stained our national honor with his overt and unabashed racism. The people defending him on TV look like fools.

The Trump faction in America accounts for between 32-36 percent of voters. The overwhelming majority of our fellow citizens are aghast at the racism, malevolence, chaos and corruption of this administration.  November 2018 will present an opportunity to deliver a massive

Repudiation of Trumpism. Fire is part of the natural life cycle of the forest. It destroys the forest but also purifies and renews it so that the cycle of life can begin again. So it must be for the Trump-Republican party.  Only through repudiation and defeat can it be renewed 2.

The corrupted, rotten and complicit Republican majority that is abetting this Presidents damage to our institutions, national security and domestic tranquility must face electoral anhialation.  A massive coalition of Democrats, independent and appalled Republicans must come 3.

Together to deliver a message to the world that the American people will defend our Republic and the inheritance bequeathed to us by previous generations. A righteous anger is building in this country and it must be channeled in to the 2018 elections. Enough.  Defeat them all.


https://twitter.com/SteveSchmidtSES/status/951916212203720709?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F2018%2F1%2F13%2F1732482%2F-Out-Of-A-Republican-Turn-To-Fascism-Some-Patriots-Rise-Up-Steve-Schmidt-Defeat-Them-All
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 15, 2018, 08:00:50 AM
The democrats and all of the other swamp dwellers can't stand the fact that they can't touch Trump so they constantly spread lies and now lower themselves to physical threats. Isn't threatening the President a crime? I lost faith in John McCain a long, long time ago so I don't care what him or any of his people have to say. If the democrats want my support - there is only have one candidate that I would vote for - Mark Warner.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Common Sense on January 15, 2018, 10:28:49 AM
The democrats and all of the other swamp dwellers can't stand the fact that they can't touch Trump so they constantly spread lies and now lower themselves to physical threats. Isn't threatening the President a crime? I lost faith in John McCain a long, long time ago so I don't care what him or any of his people have to say. If the democrats want my support - there is only have one candidate that I would vote for - Mark Warner.

I've said to several circle that the party needs to have a unified vision and not JUST the resist and call out Donald on his 1million a day lies and BS.

And Mark Warner- I agree. Always has been and always will be my man. I just worry that his time may have past in the eyes of the base of the party. Those who want the left-left to rally the base on primary.

Mark Warner is Presidential material through and through.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 15, 2018, 11:39:16 AM
 I agree - Mark Warner was and still is the best person for the job.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Blue Fish on January 15, 2018, 11:55:50 AM
I know I've said this at least once before on this forum, if Jim Webb had gotten the nomination, he would have gotten my vote - and I agree about Mark Warner also. Heck, I even voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary, because I wished the Democratic candidate would be someone but Clinton. I also said a number of times that neither party would get my support if the nominated a Bush or a Clinton. As long as people like Oprah Winfrey get serious attention by the Dems, I can't take the party seriously and right now she's #11 on the list according to the Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/22/the-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-for-2020-ranked/?utm_term=.ad72dc2c54e7 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/22/the-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-for-2020-ranked/?utm_term=.ad72dc2c54e7)

With 2020 now on the horizon, the top 2 contenders are Sanders and Biden. Warner is not on the list. Webb is not on the list. As it has been for what seems like forever, either party gets their chosen elected by putting up a candidate that gets enough of the other party's voters to switch for the alternative for any given election.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Common Sense on January 15, 2018, 12:19:01 PM
I know I've said this at least once before on this forum, if Jim Webb had gotten the nomination, he would have gotten my vote - and I agree about Mark Warner also. Heck, I even voted for Bernie Sanders in the primary, because I wished the Democratic candidate would be someone but Clinton. I also said a number of times that neither party would get my support if the nominated a Bush or a Clinton. As long as people like Oprah Winfrey get serious attention by the Dems, I can't take the party seriously and right now she's #11 on the list according to the Washington Post. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/22/the-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-for-2020-ranked/?utm_term=.ad72dc2c54e7 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/22/the-top-15-democratic-presidential-candidates-for-2020-ranked/?utm_term=.ad72dc2c54e7)

With 2020 now on the horizon, the top 2 contenders are Sanders and Biden. Warner is not on the list. Webb is not on the list. As it has been for what seems like forever, either party gets their chosen elected by putting up a candidate that gets enough of the other party's voters to switch for the alternative for any given election.

Webb was my man. The problem was he wasn't a career politician, was too moderate and service-first/part later, and it was the year of the Clinton machine.

In 2020. Biden isn't going to run. He'll be too old and he's said he was no interest. I'm sure Bernie will throw his hat in the ring for the party (that is NOT A MEMBER OF!). As for Oprah...thats just fandom and commentators trying to tune up viewership. No one is seriously considering her. And she's a great woman, but a celebrity with no governmental experience or policy accomplishments...wait...where have I heard that from before???
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 16, 2018, 09:10:43 PM
The party has moved to the left since Bernie entered the primaries. Clinton tried to catch the wave, but had too much Goldman Sachs baggage. You can argue from the election data that she lost because she couldn't bring all the Bernie voters to her side.

If Jim Webb had stayed in the Senate, perhaps he would have performed better in the debates. As it was, he did poorly and left the impression of an irascible old man. It worked for Bernie because he had built a theme around his candidacy.

As volatile as the political atmosphere is today, imagine what it will be in 2020. At this point no one can say with certainty that Trump will be the Republican nominee. How can we possibly know who will lead the Dems?

Given those caveats, why not speculate? There is nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Solon on January 17, 2018, 01:15:46 AM
Trump is in perfect health. I will stop making medical excuses for him. He is fully conscious of his lying, cheating, and thieving. Every foul deed is carefully planned from sexual abuse to cheating on his wives with prostitutes. Even his lawyers are employed to this end. His racism is purposeful and intended to perpetuate the worst behaviors in the nation's history. His goal is to create a more divisive society. No wonder he thinks his presidency is the most successful in history.

The mental test he took is a pre-dementia assessment. He passed with flying colors. His inability to read, short attention span, and semi-literacy are not health-related. He has chosen to be a lazy TV addict, and relishes in revealing to the world via Twitter that he is a complete idiot. 

He is Donald Trump; he can do anything he pleases. He can even grow taller as he ages.

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Overall, Jackson described a president in excellent health for a 71-year-old man, except for his elevated cholesterol level and his weight, 239 pounds, which qualifies him as borderline obese for a man of his height, 6-foot-3. Even so, Jackson said, the president shows no evidence of heart disease.

Top White House physician declares Trump in excellent overall health
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-did-exceedingly-well-on-a-cognitive-test-top-white-house-doctor-says/2018/01/16/e8af8b8a-fadb-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_trumphealth-445pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.0f6dea62cf53
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Steven on January 17, 2018, 08:03:10 AM
He's Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Common Sense on January 17, 2018, 09:26:57 AM
Trump is in perfect health. I will stop making medical excuses for him. He is fully conscious of his lying, cheating, and thieving. Every foul deed is carefully planned from sexual abuse to cheating on his wives with prostitutes. Even his lawyers are employed to this end. His racism is purposeful and intended to perpetuate the worst behaviors in the nation's history. His goal is to create a more divisive society. No wonder he thinks his presidency is the most successful in history.

The mental test he took is a pre-dementia assessment. He passed with flying colors. His inability to read, short attention span, and semi-literacy are not health-related. He has chosen to be a lazy TV addict, and relishes in revealing to the world via Twitter that he is a complete idiot. 

He is Donald Trump; he can do anything he pleases. He can even grow taller as he ages.

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Overall, Jackson described a president in excellent health for a 71-year-old man, except for his elevated cholesterol level and his weight, 239 pounds, which qualifies him as borderline obese for a man of his height, 6-foot-3. Even so, Jackson said, the president shows no evidence of heart disease.

Top White House physician declares Trump in excellent overall health
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-did-exceedingly-well-on-a-cognitive-test-top-white-house-doctor-says/2018/01/16/e8af8b8a-fadb-11e7-a46b-a3614530bd87_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_trumphealth-445pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.0f6dea62cf53

Solon- ouch!

Steven- yup, you are right.
Title: Re: Trump's Mental Health
Post by: Blue Fish on January 17, 2018, 12:52:33 PM
Common Sense, Solon and Steven just said the same thing in their own words... Trump is odd... which is what I've been saying from the beginning. He didn't just become odd, he's been odd. The U.S. elected an odd person as President and he is what he is. Odd people behave in odd ways.