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Title: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 09, 2017, 07:44:20 PM
Controversial Senate candidate Roy Moore has been accused of molesting several teenage girls. Four women have come forward with stories about their experiences with him. Moore  is already on the ballot and can't be replaced at this date under Alabama election laws. The current Senator, Luther Strange, is not eligible to run as an independent, but he could be a write-in candidate if Moore drops out of the race. That, of course, is a big IF. Moore has denied the charges and probably thinks such behavior is just fine for an upstanding Christian like himself. A number of Republican Senators have called for him to step down "if the allegations are true." Proving they are true is highly unlikely.

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“If these allegations are found to be true, Roy Moore must drop out of the Alabama special Senate election,” National Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee Chairman Cory Gardner (R-CO) said in a statement.

“I just recently put out a statement saying if these allegations are true, Roy Moore should step aside for all the obvious reasons. Very disturbing allegations,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) told reporters outside the Senate chamber.

“I think if those allegations are true, he should step aside,” said Sen. David Perdue (R-GA) about the allegations against Moore, who is running to fill Attorney General Jeff Sessions’ former Senate seat.

Even Sens. Mike Lee (R-UT) and Steve Daines (R-MT), two of the few sitting senators to endorse Moore, said he should step aside—but, like their colleagues, both added the caveat, “if these allegations are true.”


Definitively showing the veracity of the claims against Moore may be a tall order. The stories were relayed to the Post on the record—and supported, the Post says, by accounts from more than two dozen other sources. But Moore has flatly denied the allegations, raising the question of what standard would have to be met for Republican officials to call unequivocally for Moore’s withdrawal, short of a confession from Moore himself.

GOP Senators Run Away From Accused Child Molester Roy Moore
https://www.thedailybeast.com/gop-senators-run-away-from-accused-child-molester-roy-moore

The four women tell their stories in the Washington Post article.

Woman says Roy Moore initiated sexual encounter when she was 14, he was 32
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/woman-says-roy-moore-initiated-sexual-encounter-when-she-was-14-he-was-32/2017/11/09/1f495878-c293-11e7-afe9-4f60b5a6c4a0_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_moore-art-1pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.db299fed7204
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Steven on November 10, 2017, 07:33:47 AM
Well - let's wait and see what the facts are. Remember democrats denied every accusation towards Bill Clinton and some even defend his behavior now. If this is true about Moore  then I don't want him in public office. And also you saying Moore probably thinks such behavior is just fine for an upstanding Christian is based on your biased opinion of Moore and not reflective of Christian values. Do you think this type of behavior should be acceptable for non - Christians?
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Common Sense on November 10, 2017, 07:55:55 AM
Yes. Bill was morally vapid to do what he did and any party-members were wrong to support it.

And now some more Republicans are coming forward to ask Moore to drop out. I think this takes it to a different level seeing as how this guy was a Judge! How do you preserve the seat of justice in making these bad decisions; if they come out to be true?
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 10, 2017, 09:21:13 AM
Well - let's wait and see what the facts are. Remember democrats denied every accusation towards Bill Clinton and some even defend his behavior now. If this is true about Moore  then I don't want him in public office. And also you saying Moore probably thinks such behavior is just fine for an upstanding Christian is based on your biased opinion of Moore and not reflective of Christian values. Do you think this type of behavior should be acceptable for non - Christians?

Maybe you are not aware of the fact that Moore has made a political career of proclaiming his devotion to Christianity. That makes his behavior even more heinous. Do you get that?
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Skinsguy on November 10, 2017, 09:40:56 AM
Well - let's wait and see what the facts are. Remember democrats denied every accusation towards Bill Clinton and some even defend his behavior now. If this is true about Moore  then I don't want him in public office. And also you saying Moore probably thinks such behavior is just fine for an upstanding Christian is based on your biased opinion of Moore and not reflective of Christian values. Do you think this type of behavior should be acceptable for non - Christians?

Maybe you are not aware of the fact that Moore has made a political career of proclaiming his devotion to Christianity. That makes his behavior even more heinous. Do you get that?

So child molestation is less heinous is committed by a non-christian?
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Steven on November 10, 2017, 09:59:01 AM
Solon - you have already convicted the man without a trial. I'm glad you're not a judge,
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 10, 2017, 10:02:49 AM
Well - let's wait and see what the facts are. Remember democrats denied every accusation towards Bill Clinton and some even defend his behavior now. If this is true about Moore  then I don't want him in public office. And also you saying Moore probably thinks such behavior is just fine for an upstanding Christian is based on your biased opinion of Moore and not reflective of Christian values. Do you think this type of behavior should be acceptable for non - Christians?

Maybe you are not aware of the fact that Moore has made a political career of proclaiming his devotion to Christianity. That makes his behavior even more heinous. Do you get that?

So child molestation is less heinous is committed by a non-christian?

Good point. It is indeed heinous by whomever commits it. It's just the hypocrisy that strikes me. You expect someone who makes a political career of defending the Ten Commandments to display a higher level of behavior than some depraved bum. Sorry, my mistake.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 10, 2017, 10:07:15 AM
Solon - you have already convicted the man without a trial. I'm glad you're not a judge,

Yes, you can feel safe in Judge Roy Moore's courtroom. You're presumably not a teenage girl.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Steven on November 10, 2017, 10:22:38 AM
Once again you are condemning someone based on rumors and accusations. I wouldn't feel safe in your courtroom because you convict a person before the trial.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 10, 2017, 10:43:02 AM
Jennifer Rubin has the right take on this:

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If you are sickened by this — both the cowering from national Republicans and the repulsive defense of Moore coming from local Republicans — you must not be a GOP “tribalist,” the new brand of Republican who will justify any conduct, excuse any behavior, rationalize any rhetoric, adopt any conspiracy theory and deny any evidence to protect the “tribe.” It’s nothing short of moral nihilism, not to mention disqualifying from public service.

This has been a long time coming. Republicans put up with Trump calling Mexicans rapists, insulting a POW, making racist accusations against a federal judge, attacking Gold Star parents and boasting on tape about sexual abuse of women. They’ve chosen to ignore accounts from more than a dozen women who allege Trump engaged in sexually inappropriate behavior. Republicans  have condoned lying, bullying and willful ignorance by a man some of them don’t trust with the authority to launch nuclear war. So would they let a few allegations of sexual exploitation of children get in the way of a Senate seat? You’ve got their answer.

The appalling and entirely predictable GOP reaction to Roy Moore’s accusers
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/11/10/the-appalling-and-entirely-predictable-gop-reaction-to-roy-moores-accusers/?hpid=hp_no-name_opinion-card-b%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.347aecb3ee7c
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Steven on November 10, 2017, 11:31:10 AM
Accusations are not convictions. Solon - I'm somewhat disappointed in you today. I thought you were better than this. If the man is found guilty then he should face the consequences - not before.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Steven on November 10, 2017, 11:36:33 AM
If we go by your rules that accusations are convictable offences then the Clintons should have jailed in Arkansas decades ago.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 10, 2017, 04:08:13 PM
I don't recall your concern over Weinstein being convicted in a court of law, Steven. Bill Clinton was impeached, but not convicted either, so neither has met your definition of guilt.  If you read the Washington Post article in my first post, perhaps you will be less defensive about the accusations against Roy Moore.

If you won't listen to me, maybe you will heed Mitt Romney

Mitt Romney ✔@MittRomney
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Innocent until proven guilty is for criminal convictions, not elections. I believe Leigh Corfman. Her account is too serious to ignore. Moore is unfit for office and should step aside.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Steven on November 10, 2017, 04:24:50 PM
As I said "accusations" - I never said Weinstein was guilty. He also has 57 accusers - Roy Moore only has one.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 10, 2017, 07:11:39 PM
Moore is still denying that he did anything wrong, that he knew the 14 year old girl, or he molested anyone. But, he just can't help but hedge a little by admitting that he dated "young girls" after he came back from Vietnam, refusing to deny that he dated teenagers when in his thirties, and, admits that he actually knew several of the girls.

It's interesting how the reporters picked up the story and developed it. Apparently, Moore's behavior was not a secret in Alabama. 

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Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore declined Friday to rule out that he may have dated girls in their late teens when he was in his 30s, though he said he did not remember any such encounters and described such behavior as inappropriate.

“If I did, I’m not going to dispute these things, but I don’t remember anything like that,” Moore said on the Sean Hannity radio program, when asked if he dated 17- or 18-year-old girls at the time.

When pressed by Hannity, Moore said that he knew several of the other women who spoke to The Washington Post, which published the allegations Thursday, but did not "remember going out on dates." He admitted taking "young girls" out after returning to America following his service in Vietnam...

...None of the women who alleged teenage relationships with Moore sought out The Post. While reporting a story in Alabama about supporters of Moore’s Senate campaign, a Post reporter heard that Moore allegedly had sought relationships with teenage girls.

Over the ensuing three weeks, two Post reporters contacted and interviewed the four women. All were initially reluctant to speak publicly but chose to do so after multiple interviews, saying they thought it was important for people to know about their interactions with Moore. The women say they don’t know one another.

Alabama Senate candidate Roy Moore denies sexual misconduct in radio interview with Sean Hannity
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/national-republican-senatorial-committee-ends-joint-fundraising-agreement-with-roy-moore-campaign/2017/11/10/f393278c-c62e-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_alabama-215p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.04314f299872

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...the National Republican Senatorial Committee pulled out of a joint committee it had set up with Moore, depriving him of a fundraising vehicle for the final weeks of the campaign. But current and former national party leaders admitted that they have little power to actually force Moore from the race. The election is Dec. 12.

Senate candidate Roy Moore does not rule out that he may have dated teen girls when he was in his 30s
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/national-republican-senatorial-committee-ends-joint-fundraising-agreement-with-roy-moore-campaign/2017/11/10/f393278c-c62e-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_alabama-215p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.8fc3ac64ba33
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Steven on November 11, 2017, 06:34:01 AM
If Moore is guilty - then punish him accordingly. My question to Solon is simply this - Why do you rake Moore over the coals and not do the same for Weinstein?  I say it's because of your liberal bias. And because you don't hold liberal democrats to any type of moral standards. As I've said before - if Moore is guilty - he deserves what he gets - but I do not support your double standard of attacking one side while barely discussing the crimes of the other. Since I am an independent voter I see the protectionism of the left and the right for their own politicians and their donors.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Common Sense on November 11, 2017, 10:03:34 AM
Well, no one said to take it easy on Harvey Weinstein. Lock his ass up. But, he's not an elected official and he's not running (as the heavy favorite) to be a U.S. Senator.

And if the accusations turn out to be correct then slam the bars hard, disbar him from the state of Alabama, and let him watch CSPAN and Congress in the pen!
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Steven on November 11, 2017, 10:30:18 AM
I agree!
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 11, 2017, 12:24:51 PM

You are are a liar Steven. I condemned Weinstein. I NEVER defended him. Plus, you seem clueless about this fact: This entire section of Martinsville Chat is about POLITICS.  Moore is running for the US Senate. Weinstein is not, and never was, a politician. He is just a horrible Hollywood creep who is justifiably suffering consequences for his actions. There are a bunch of those types. Moore could very easily sit in the US Senate voting on the laws of the nation. Do you get the difference? Common Sense already explained it to you, but, you ignored him. This is your second lesson.

Added to that mistake, you are now acting the hypocrite by defending Moore. Beginning a new thread citing a fake news site to claim the charges are unraveling puts the lie to your claim to moral standards. Did you actually read that trash? You even have the temerity to claim that he must be convicted in a court of law when you know that will never happen and did not happen in the Weinstein or Clinton cases you cited.

Your pretense to independence is a farce. We all know where you stand. 
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 11, 2017, 12:53:05 PM
The Republican party is actively seeking ways to derail Moore without losing the Senate seat to a Democrat, although the Senate campaign committee has already terminated any funding for his campaign. Among the possibilities is the delay of the election to permit his removal from the ballot. The Alabama governor may be open to that since she took office as a result of a previous moral scandal. Another is the refusal to seat him if the election goes forward. To his credit, Mitch McConnell felt compelled to take such an action once before in the Packwood case. Other efforts include disavowing him before the election and calling for a write-in coupled with a pre-vote announcement that he will not be seated. The Alabama state party continues to back him, but the Congressional delegation appears to be holding back to see how it goes. Republicans, like McConnell, think the situation would be quickly resolved if Trump would call on him to step down, but that remains problematic given the president's own history.

It appears that Senate Republicans, including the leadership, are determined to see that Moore never serves in the Senate and their energy is engaged in finding the best way to ensure that. 

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The frenzy reflected not just the worry over the Senate seat once held by Jeff Sessions, now the attorney general, but also the broader danger of the Republican Party’s being associated with Mr. Moore.

...But if Mr. Moore wins, the party faces a potentially more untenable prospect: welcoming a child-molesting suspect into their ranks, a move that every Republican candidate would have to answer for. That raised memories of Todd Akin, the Republican Senate candidate who in 2012 said victims of “legitimate rape” rarely got pregnant, an assertion that Democrats hung around every candidate that year.

And Mr. Moore’s interview within the sympathetic confines of Mr. Hannity’s show, which was also an initial safe harbor for Mr. Akin in 2012, made Republicans in the capital only more determined that he had to step aside.

“I don’t remember ever dating any girl without the permission of her mother,” Mr. Moore told Mr. Hannity. Asked by Mr. Hannity if he ever dated teenagers when he was in his 30s, Mr. Moore equivocated, replying, “Not generally, no.”

Republicans Try to Block Moore’s Path as Candidate Denies Sexual Misconduct
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/us/politics/roy-moore-alabama-republican.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 11, 2017, 06:37:02 PM
Besides the 30 people cited by the Washington Post who verified that Moore dated teenagers when in his thirties, a man has also come forward today to add verification to the story of the woman Moore dated when she was 14 years old. He told his story to an Alabama journalist for an ABC affiliate. You can see the video on her twitter site.

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Mike Ortiz says he dated Corfman (Roy Moore’s accuser) for 2 years around 2009.
He says during that time, she told him about a sexual encounter w/ Moore when she was young.


https://twitter.com/LaurenWalshTV



Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Common Sense on November 12, 2017, 11:31:14 AM

You are are a liar Steven. I condemned Weinstein. I NEVER defended him. Plus, you seem clueless about this fact: This entire section of Martinsville Chat is about POLITICS.  Moore is running for the US Senate. Weinstein is not, and never was, a politician. He is just a horrible Hollywood creep who is justifiably suffering consequences for his actions. There are a bunch of those types. Moore could very easily sit in the US Senate voting on the laws of the nation. Do you get the difference? Common Sense already explained it to you, but, you ignored him. This is your second lesson.

Added to that mistake, you are now acting the hypocrite by defending Moore. Beginning a new thread citing a fake news site to claim the charges are unraveling puts the lie to your claim to moral standards. Did you actually read that trash? You even have the temerity to claim that he must be convicted in a court of law when you know that will never happen and did not happen in the Weinstein or Clinton cases you cited.

Your pretense to independence is a farce. We all know where you stand.

Yessir. Solon can stand on proven ground on his posts.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Steven on November 12, 2017, 04:24:37 PM
Solon you are a liar. I said you took it easy on Weinstein and you did and you are raking Moore over the coals. I'm not defending Moore either - just stating the obvious. You always get angry when you are caught playing the double standard. Weinstein is a major donor to the democratic party therfore this topic is exactly where it should be. You prefer to convict people in the court of public opinion not a court of law.  Class Dismissed.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 13, 2017, 10:22:21 AM
You are are a liar Steven. I condemned Weinstein. I NEVER defended him. Plus, you seem clueless about this fact: This entire section of Martinsville Chat is about POLITICS.  Moore is running for the US Senate. Weinstein is not, and never was, a politician. He is just a horrible Hollywood creep who is justifiably suffering consequences for his actions. There are a bunch of those types. Moore could very easily sit in the US Senate voting on the laws of the nation. Do you get the difference? Common Sense already explained it to you, but, you ignored him. This is your second lesson.

Added to that mistake, you are now acting the hypocrite by defending Moore. Beginning a new thread citing a fake news site to claim the charges are unraveling puts the lie to your claim to moral standards. Did you actually read that trash? You even have the temerity to claim that he must be convicted in a court of law when you know that will never happen and did not happen in the Weinstein or Clinton cases you cited.

Your pretense to independence is a farce. We all know where you stand.

You are a fake news troll with gaps in knowledge and logic anyone can drive a truck through.
Not only did you DEFEND Moore with claims that he must be convicted in a court of law, but you posted a fake news site with trashy attacks on his accusers. That's clear for everyone to see.

You started the personal attacks. If choose to apologize this is your chance to correct your mistake. 
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 13, 2017, 11:03:07 AM
It seems clear at this point that the White House has determined that Roy Moore's conduct is not disqualifying.  White House officials in talk shows yesterday condemned the idea of molesting girls, but said they would give Moore time to defend himself as if the existing reports were insufficient in themselves. If he is elected, and in all probability he will be, Democrats will have an issue to take into the 2018 Congressional elections. In addition to the morals accusations, Moore has taken a variety of controversial positions that will gain national attention and create electoral problems for the party. Evidence of that is clear from the action of voters in last Tuesday's elections. The Democratic advantage among women and college educated men was dramatic when compared with the 2016 vote. If that continues, and Moore's prominence would tend to encourage that, the Dems may have an excellent opportunity to take control of the House.

In the off chance that Moore is defeated, a Democratic victory would whittle the Republican Senate advantage to one and put the Republican program in jeopardy there.

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...is there any evidence, short of a Moore confession or video proof of Moore’s actions, that would be sufficient to persuade White House officials and Republicans to decide that Moore has been disqualified? The original Post story was based on interviews with more than 30 people who said they knew Moore over the decades, and the Post reported that none of the women knew each other or sought out the paper’s reporters. Corfman’s family stands by the story. If this isn’t enough, what would be?

Indeed, in light of these facts, a few Republicans (such as John McCain) have declared that the existence of the accusations is itself disqualifying, or (as Mitt Romney has explicitly put it) that they believe Moore’s accusers. This is an election, not a court of law, and they have concluded Moore should step aside — based on a judgment as to whose account is the more credible one. Making such a judgment is precisely the step that the White House and Republicans in the “if true” camp are trying to discourage.

Ignore the spin. Trump and the GOP have made a devil’s bargain with Roy Moore.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/11/13/ignore-the-spin-trump-and-gop-have-made-a-devils-bargain-with-roy-moore/?utm_term=.9d211182f261
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Steven on November 13, 2017, 11:52:29 AM
Solon - you make this so much fun! I love it!

1. I never said you defended Weinstein - I said you didn't rake him over the coals the way you did Moore.

2. If I am not mistaken - Bill is the one who brought up Weinstein in the politics section.

3. I never defended Moore. I said wait until the evidence is brought out. If he did this things I do not want him in
    any public office. Period.

4. In one way you are so much like Trump and  Bill O'Reilly - "If I don't agree with you  - then you are fake news."

5. I am an independent. You can't stand the fact that you can't blame me for the mistakes of the republican party.

Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 13, 2017, 12:15:38 PM
Mitch McConnell just took a politically risky, but courageous, step. He called for Roy Moore to withdraw from the Senate campaign. He has obviously made the determination that a short term advantage is not worth the grief of a morally compromised Senator with extreme views hanging around the party's neck in 2018. He, more than most members, would be called on to defend him, and Mitch cannot do it. Once before, in the Bob Packwood case, he made the tough decision after some deliberation. It's not just about the partisan politics, it's also about the institutional probity of the Senate as well.

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Monday that Republican candidate Roy Moore should end his campaign for U.S. Senate in Alabama, following allegations that Moore initiated a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old girl when he was 32.

“I think he should step aside,” said McConnell. His comments marked the most definitive position he has taken on Moore’s candidacy since The Washington Post reported the allegations last Thursday.

Asked by a reporter if he believed the allegations, McConnell responded: “I believe the women, yes.”

McConnell calls on Roy Moore to end Senate campaign following accusations of sexual misconduct
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mcconnell-calls-on-roy-moore-to-end-senate-campaign-following-accusations-of-sexual-misconduct/2017/11/13/1ca48d56-c890-11e7-aa96-54417592cf72_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar&tidr=a_breakingnews&utm_term=.8811cdbd86b6
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Common Sense on November 13, 2017, 02:39:55 PM
Mitch McConnell just took a politically risky, but courageous, step. He called for Roy Moore to withdraw from the Senate campaign. He has obviously made the determination that a short term advantage is not worth the grief of a morally compromised Senator with extreme views hanging around the party's neck in 2018. He, more than most members, would be called on to defend him, and Mitch cannot do it. Once before, in the Bob Packwood case, he made the tough decision after some deliberation. It's not just about the partisan politics, it's also about the institutional probity of the Senate as well.

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Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Monday that Republican candidate Roy Moore should end his campaign for U.S. Senate in Alabama, following allegations that Moore initiated a sexual encounter with a 14-year-old girl when he was 32.

“I think he should step aside,” said McConnell. His comments marked the most definitive position he has taken on Moore’s candidacy since The Washington Post reported the allegations last Thursday.

Asked by a reporter if he believed the allegations, McConnell responded: “I believe the women, yes.”
Risky, of course.

But I applaud this opportunity to show his moral compass.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Common Sense on November 14, 2017, 09:27:59 AM
Another morning, another accusation of molestation of Moore on a 16-year old.

What do you believe is his next step?

I believe Trump isn't saying anything because:
1. he doesn't want to lose the seat
2. he endorsed Luther Strange

BUT...he did endorse Luther and it is his thing to publicly bash someone who he didn't support no matter the fact that he'd be able to work with Donald on his big issues like taxes, finally building that wall, etc.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 14, 2017, 11:13:35 AM
Not only did the woman describe the encounter as an assault, but she stated that she would take a lie detector and testify in court. Moore denied ever knowing the woman, but she produced her high school yearbook from 1977 which he had signed in a rather provocative manner.


Those who hedge their criticism of Moore with an "if proven" have their bluff called.

I think it's also clear why these kids would be afraid of telling their story at the time. He was powerful and they were nobodies.

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Fighting through tears, Nelson recounted how one night, Moore forced himself on her in his car behind the restaurant in Gadsden.

After she screamed at him to stop, she said, “Instead of stopping, he began squeezing my neck, attempting to force my head onto his crotch. I continued to struggle.”

“I thought he was going to rape me,” Nelson said.

“At some point he gave up,” she continued. “And he then looked at me, and he told me, he said, ‘You’re just a child, and I am the district attorney of Etowah County, and if you tell anyone about this, no one will ever believe you.”

Nelson said her neck was “black and blue and purple” for the following days. “I did not tell anyone about what would happen — I was scared,” she said. "I felt that if I told anyone, Mr. Moore would do something to me or my family.”

Woman accuses Moore of assaulting her when she was 16
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/13/new-roy-moore-accuser-beverly-young-nelson-244849


The other story out today is his creepy behavior at the mall.

Al.com a local Birmingham news outlet reports that it was common knowledge that Moore spent time in the Gadsen mall flirting with teen age girls. There is some indication that he was actually banned from the mall and several stores at different times.

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...people who lived in Etowah County during that time have said Moore's flirting with and dating much younger women and girls was no secret.

"These stories have been going around this town for 30 years," said Blake Usry, who grew up in the area and lives in Gadsden. "Nobody could believe they hadn't come out yet."

Usry, a traveling nurse, said he knew several of the girls that Moore tried to flirt with.

"It's not a big secret in this town about Roy Moore," he said. "That's why it's sort of frustrating to watch" the public disbelieve the women who have come forward, he said.

...Wendy Miller told The Post that she was 14 and working as Santa's helper at the Gadsden Mall in 1977 when Moore first spoke with her and told her she looked pretty. Two years later, when she was 16, he asked her out on dates, although her mother wouldn't let her go.

Usry, who was a teenager at the time, remembers seeing Moore at the mall often.

"He would go and flirt with all the young girls," he said. "It'd seem like every Friday or Saturday night (you'd see him) walking around the mall, like the kids did."

Jason Nelms, who now lives in Tennessee but grew up in nearby Southside, was a regular at the mall when he was a teenager.

He recalled being told by a mall employee that they kept watch for an older guy who was known to pick up younger girls.

Nelms said he was told later by a concession worker at the mall that it was Roy Moore.

...Five other current and former Etowah County residents also spoke to AL.com with similar accounts.

"Him liking and dating young girls was never a secret in Gadsden when we were all in high school," said Sheryl Porter. "In our neighborhoods up by Noccalula Falls we heard it all the time. Even people at the courthouse know it was a well-known secret.

"It's just sad how these girls (who accused Moore) are getting hammered and called liars, especially Leigh (Corfman)."

On Monday, Beverly Young Nelson became the fifth accuser to come forward against Moore. During a press conference, she said she was a 16-year-old waitress at the Old Hickory House restaurant in Gadsden when Moore sexually assaulted her in his car. He was in his early 30s at the time, she said, and the district attorney of Etowah County.

Gadsden locals say Moore's predatory behavior at mall, restaurants not a secret
http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/gadsden_residents_say_moores_b.html

The people telling these stories are not liberal media types, they are Moore's hometown folks telling their recollections to an Alabama reporter. 


Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 14, 2017, 12:19:48 PM
Another morning, another accusation of molestation of Moore on a 16-year old.

What do you believe is his next step?

I believe Trump isn't saying anything because:
1. he doesn't want to lose the seat
2. he endorsed Luther Strange

BUT...he did endorse Luther and it is his thing to publicly bash someone who he didn't support no matter the fact that he'd be able to work with Donald on his big issues like taxes, finally building that wall, etc.

I would add
3. Bannon supports Moore and he doesn't want to openly oppose him, especially with no alternative candidate stepping up. It's a loser for him and he likes winning.  ;D
4. He is accused of accosting women, too.
(While not accused of molesting teenagers, his creepy behavior at teen beauty pageants has previously been reported. )

If he repudiates Moore, he is likely to get some backlash from Moore supporters about his own behavior. That is publicity even Trump wants to avoid. Besides it would besmirch his triumphant overseas trip--the biggest, the best, the greatest, nobody ever got the reception I got trip. You know, the one where he kowtowed to Xi, embraced the murderer Duterte, and was completely incoherent about Putin and Russia's interference in our election. He believes Putin believes he didn't do it and the US spy guys were hacks, but he believes the new spy guys (who agree with the the hacks--that Russia interfered in our election to help Trump.) Say what?
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Common Sense on November 14, 2017, 03:37:05 PM
Man, oh man. Maybe Trump can get some of his inside guys to down re-arrange the deck chairs on the Titantic while he's at it!
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 14, 2017, 08:37:44 PM
Yesterday the Republican National Committee was still spending on Moore's campaign and had 11 operatives in the state working to get him elected. Today, the RNC terminated its relationship with him--no more money or assistance. I guess the last straw was when the "courageous" LOL Paul Ryan finally said Moore was not fit for office. Not a peep from Trump.

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The RNC is pulling out of a joint fundraising agreement it had with Moore, according to a senior party official briefed on the decision. It is also canceling a field program it had set up ahead of the state’s Dec. 12 special election. The committee had about a dozen paid canvassers in Alabama working for Moore. It will no longer transfer any money to the race.


RNC cuts off Moore
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/14/rnc-cuts-off-moore-244904

The Cook Political Report, widely respected for its competent electoral analyses, called the contest a toss up and one poll even had the Democrat up by 4 points. The margin of error must be 25. Those folks need to spend more time in Alabama. Ole Roy may have molested young girls and trashed the Constitution, but them's Yankee problems. He's our boy regardless  because he knows how to rile up them Northern liberals and we eat that up with a spoon.   

The Republicans are about to face an all-consuming dilemma when Moore wins. He will get so much media attention that Trump will get jealous. Hmmm...that may be the ultimate wild card in this whole insane mess.

Late addition:
The shill has spoken. Hannity says Moore's explanations are insufficient and gives him 24 hours to shape up or its pistols at noon. Bannon has let it leak that he is beginning to think maybe molesting teenagers is not the best qualification to be a US Senator. Not to worry. A bunch of evangelicals gave Moore a standing ovation tonight after he spoke of his trials and tribulations because they know that God has forgiven him despite the fact that he has neither confessed his sins nor asked forgiveness. That truly makes him Trump's man since Trump also said he had never asked for forgiveness because he is perfect. (OK, I added the "he is perfect" part.)  But I bet Trump thought it.

A composite poll gives Moore a 3 point lead. It's in the bag.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Steven on November 15, 2017, 11:42:52 AM
Stepson of Roy Moore accuser says she is lying.

Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Skinsguy on November 16, 2017, 03:45:57 PM
Moore should step down. If found innocent, then postpone the vote on his position or have a re-vote if found innocent afterwards.

What is wrong with these celebs and politicians?
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Steven on November 16, 2017, 04:14:03 PM
They believe morality is a sin.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 21, 2017, 01:36:25 PM
Kellyanne Conway endorses Moore. Trump embraces a child molester to ensure tax cuts for the rich, especially himself and his family.

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During an uncharacteristically tough interview on Fox & Friends, Kellyanne Conway made her case for Alabama Republican U.S. Senate candidate and accused child molester Roy Moore over his Democratic opponent Doug Jones. Pivoting from a discussion about the GOP tax bill, Conway said that Jones “will be a vote against tax cuts,” adding, “He is weak on crime. Weak on borders. He’s strong on raising your taxes. He is terrible for property owners. And Doug Jones is a doctrinaire liberal, which is why he’s not saying anything and why the media are trying to boost him.” When co-host Brian Kilmeade asked if that meant she is telling people to vote for Moore, Conway paused before saying, “I’m telling you that we want the votes in the Senate to get this tax bill through.”

Kellyanne Conway Urges Alabamians to Vote for Roy Moore
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kellyanne-conway-urges-alabamians-to-vote-for-roy-moore
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Steven on November 21, 2017, 03:40:59 PM
If indeed Moore did these things - he needs to be punished severely.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Common Sense on November 21, 2017, 06:23:57 PM
If indeed Moore did these things - he needs to be punished severely.

Yes, he should. But the problem may be that its not surfacing publicly many years later. He should drop out and face private suits.

Instead, he's being cheered on by a President and this executive staff who are guilty of such offenses. Its now to the voter's to decide.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Solon on November 21, 2017, 06:58:46 PM
Trump is too big a coward to say it outright, but leaves no doubt that Roy Moore is his guy.

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Though the president has thus far remained mum on the boiling controversy, he told reporters outside the White House, “We don’t need a liberal Democrat in there,” referring to Moore’s opponent Doug Jones. He added: “I’ve looked at his record, it’s terrible on crime, it’s terrible on the border, it’s terrible on the military.” [Jones has NEVER served in Congress and has no such record.] Furthermore, the president said [speaking of Moore], “He denies it. He totally denies it. That’s all I can say.” Asked if he believes Moore’s accusers, Trump said: “Forty years is a long time. He’s run eight races and this has never came up.”
Trump Implies Backing Roy Moore: ‘We Don’t Need a Liberal Democrat in That Seat’
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-on-roy-moore-we-dont-need-a-liberal-democrat-in-that-seat

In Trumpworld all you have to do to beat the rap is follow Trump's example and lie, lie, lie.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Common Sense on November 22, 2017, 07:39:41 AM
Trump and "coward" are now synonyms.

He needs to grow up, learn how to lead, and act his age rather than his glove size. Actually, a more fitting euphemism would be that he needs to "act his belt size" rather than his shoe size.
Title: Re: Roy Moore Accused of Child Molestation
Post by: Steven on November 22, 2017, 11:30:11 AM
Next thing you're going to tell me is that Trump was born in Kenya.